Posted by Reemas

Players go for the house that they can farm in and make the most profit. I dont think it’s the price so much. A bit of a mistake is how I see it when houses even have farming as an option. Especially, if their main focus was to get players to be creative.

Here is the problem with that statement.

Every house is 20k.

A Guild house is 12.5k

A guild house has more grass to farm in, one even has a spar room, are more admired and have more features and are generally the more desired item.


So a player with 20k, which are they more likely going to buy? The guild house that offers for more farm area, even a spar area for the most common one, or a House themed off of nexus that doesn't offer anywhere near as much area, doesn't offer as much past farming like a spar room, or so on?

Obviously if you weigh the differences. Houses kinda are overpriced, especially when houses in general only a few people go into like 4 Lom because how extremely expensive it can be and players typically would rather get something that generally benefits them more, like a gh or head upload.Especially now, when you could get 2 uploads for a head at 20k.


So rationally thinking, A GH, for 12.5k, or 20k for a plain nexus themed house? I bought a nexus house myself, Personally I regret wasting that 20k.  

Posted by Rusix

Here is the problem with that statement.

Every house is 20k.

A Guild house is 12.5k

A guild house has more grass to farm in, one even has a spar room, are more admired and have more features and are generally the more desired item.


So a player with 20k, which are they more likely going to buy? The guild house that offers for more farm area, even a spar area for the most common one, or a House themed off of nexus that doesn't offer anywhere near as much area, doesn't offer as much past farming like a spar room, or so on?

Obviously if you weigh the differences. Houses kinda are overpriced, especially when houses in general only a few people go into like 4 Lom because how extremely expensive it can be and players typically would rather get something that generally benefits them more, like a gh or head upload.Especially now, when you could get 2 uploads for a head at 20k.


So rationally thinking, A GH, for 12.5k, or 20k for a plain nexus themed house? I bought a nexus house myself, Personally I regret wasting that 20k.

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Posted by Rusix

Spoiler

Here is the problem with that statement.

Every house is 20k.

A Guild house is 12.5k

A guild house has more grass to farm in, one even has a spar room, are more admired and have more features and are generally the more desired item.


So a player with 20k, which are they more likely going to buy? The guild house that offers for more farm area, even a spar area for the most common one, or a House themed off of nexus that doesn't offer anywhere near as much area, doesn't offer as much past farming like a spar room, or so on?

Obviously if you weigh the differences. Houses kinda are overpriced, especially when houses in general only a few people go into like 4 Lom because how extremely expensive it can be and players typically would rather get something that generally benefits them more, like a gh or head upload.Especially now, when you could get 2 uploads for a head at 20k.


So rationally thinking, A GH, for 12.5k, or 20k for a plain nexus themed house? I bought a nexus house myself, Personally I regret wasting that 20k.

There are 2 houses with 80+ grass tiles, that's more than guild houses
Houses can be open to the public, and the majority of players have their houses set as an idle money maker

Everyone has their preferences, there are those who are satisfied with the spar room guild house, since they can host their singles or doubles in another
To say that one is better than the other is false

The prices seem fair, since it's more about exclusivity

Posted by Reemas

Players go for the house that they can farm in and make the most profit. I dont think it’s the price so much. A bit of a mistake is how I see it when these new houses even have farming as an option. Especially, if the main focus of the new house templates was to get players to be creative.

What's wrong with having the option to farm? If it would have been taken out, then less people would buy  

Posted by Rusix

Here is the problem with that statement..

I’m referring to the new houses. Don’t edit out the main point of my statements. Thats a cheap trick.  

Posted by Aguzo

There are 2 houses with 80+ grass tiles, that's more than guild houses
Houses can be open to the public, and the majority of players have their houses set as an idle money maker

Everyone has their preferences, there are those who are satisfied with the spar room guild house, since they can host their singles or doubles in another
To say that one is better than the other is false

The prices seem fair, since it's more about exclusivity

I just checked the houses for sale for 20k, No, none have ANYWHERE near 80 grass tiles. So not sure if you're counting correctly. And nor are any well made for farming. Only houses with possibly more than a GH is a few of the free ones.

And to buy something exclusively is somewhat dumb, especially if your not into house design, which is about 3/4 people, and it doesn't offer your style. And all the houses for 20k are bad for their general usefulness.

Posted by Reemas

I’m referring to the new houses. Don’t edit out the main point of my statements. Thats a cheap trick.

You said the prices aren't ridiculous because players pick a house they like to farm in. You really are contradicting yourself if your now talking about the new houses because you can just switch it for 50 gralats. I mean if you wanna pay 20k for a house switch every time go ahead  

Posted by Aguzo

What's wrong with having the option to farm? If it would have been taken out, then less people would buy

I’m just saying that the newer houses seemed more focused on wanting players to be creative. If that is the case than farms shouldnt have been added to them. Thus, players would actually buy other houses. Where as now, they want to get one where they can gain something from it.  

Posted by Rusix

And to buy something exclusively is somewhat dumb, especially if your not into house design, which is about 3/4 people

You just answered your own question, and not sure where you are getting that "3/4" statistic. Did you check with your 3/4 friends who bot, which classifies as "everyone is botting"

Posted by Rusix

and it doesn't offer your style

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Posted by Reemas

I’m just saying that the newer houses seemed more focused on wanting players to be creative. If that is the case than farms shouldnt have been added to them. Thus, players would actually buy other houses. Where as now, they want to get one where they can gain something from it.

So because you won't choose a house for it's looks, that means everyone won't choose that house either?
Again, having the option is what matters

Posted by Rusix

I just checked the houses for sale for 20k, No, none have ANYWHERE near 80 grass tiles. So not sure if you're counting correctly. And nor are any well made for farming. Only houses with possibly more than a GH is a few of the free ones.

If you haven't changed your Castle house, after it was updated, then you'll have 84-90 grass tiles. The free swamp house comes with 80 as well


Honestly, not sure where you two are going with this. If you don't like the houses, then you don't have to buy them. I've seen a lot of people with the new houses. If they weren't selling, then I doubt that they would have added in a new one a few months ago  

Posted by Reemas

I’m just saying that the newer houses seemed more focused on wanting players to be creative. If that is the case than farms shouldnt have been added to them. Thus, players would actually buy other houses. Where as now, they want to get one where they can gain something from it.

I see your point, but same time why not add farming? I mean you are gonna have to get that bread like uni to get furniture to even be creative with the furniture.

Plus as I said earlier. According to dusty in anothe post about bugs there is usually 850 on usually in a house..


That's less than 1/4 of the whole game, the general creative center is only geared towards people who have the liking of such. So of course players would rather pick something that benefits them in farming rather than having the massive expense of buying furniture. Usual good houses can easily cost around 30-40k. Especially for a extremely well made house can cost even more, so of course players wouldn't want to spent that massive amount on houses, look at the forum posted by 4-Lom showing houses people made, you think that was cheap at all? It would be a extremely overwhelming task for free to play players.

If we took this into real money terms. Some players even spent easily over 100k for items in their house. Typically from what I'm told Atleast players spent about 80k for a fantastic house.

That's about 30 dollars, or 8 days of pure, nonstop, morning to night, days of farming.


So yes obviously players would lean more for the thing that favors them rather than the thing that is hard to achieve

Posted by Aguzo

You just answered your own question, and not sure where you are getting that "3/4" statistic. Did you check with your 3/4 friends who bot, which classifies as "everyone is botting"


¯\_(ツ)_/¯


So because you won't choose a house for it's looks, that means everyone won't choose that house either?
Again, having the option is what matters

If you haven't changed your Castle house, after it was updated, then you'll have 84-90 grass tiles. The free swamp house comes with 80 as well


Honestly, not sure where you two are going with this. If you don't like the houses, then you don't have to buy them. I've seen a lot of people with the new houses. If they weren't selling, then I doubt that they would have added in a new one a few months ago

The statistic is 3/4 of people who don't get involved into houses is from dusty. According to dusty in the bug thread, around 850 players average in houses every day.

So obviously yes, if we round it up. That'd be 1/4 of players that are into houses. Simple mathematics. As I said with botting as well I known multiple guilds that still farmbot. Full of 25 people. All with allies that farm bot, and have taught other people as well.


I'm explaining this as the "Oppurtunity cost" as it is called in financial terms. Why pay for something that cost more and doesn't offer you as much as while there is a cheaper option that offers more? Pricing in general doesn't make sense, they don't offer you as much, you have to take into account as well as I said. If they like that style.

1/4 of people are into housing, then we got to cut out the ones that don't even like the houses because they like the older houses and more factors. Even myself bought one, regret it  

Posted by Rusix

The statistic is 3/4 of people who don't get involved into houses is from dusty. According to dusty in the bug thread, around 850 players average in houses every day.

So obviously yes, if we round it up. That'd be 1/4 of players that are into houses. Simple mathematics. As I said with botting as well I known multiple guilds that still farmbot. Full of 25 people. All with allies that farm bot, and have taught other people as well.

1/4 of people are into housing, then we got to cut out the ones that don't even like the houses because they like the older houses and more factors. Even myself bought one, regret it

"Simple mathematics"... You realize that an average for a daily thing, doesn't mean that only those people like to work on their house, right?
It's not the same 850 players that change their houses daily. I might change my house once every few months. When new furniture is released, I'm pretty sure that average of 850 spikes up

I still fail to see how you ended up with 3/4? I think someone said that graal has 8000 - 15000 unique players every day, so it's also not the same 4000 people playing daily  

Posted by Aguzo

"Simple mathematics"... You realize that an average for a daily thing, doesn't mean that only those people like to work on their house, right?
It's not the same 850 players that change their houses daily. I might change my house once every few months. When new furniture is released, I'm pretty sure that average of 850 spikes up

I still fail to see how you ended up with 3/4? I think someone said that graal has 8000 - 15000 unique players every day, so it's also not the same 4000 people playing daily

That's exactly why I rounded the 850 up? It doesn't spike up 24/7, because if it did. Then that would mathematically be the new average.

And if that statement you said is correct. About graal being with 15K unique players.

Then according to stats by dusty in the bug post it's about 850 at any given time . Which includes people who do houses and visit houses. Which we round up to 1K. (for that spike ).

So given that 850 on average is in a house 24/7, and active player base is 4K online usually. At most we would see is around maybe 3700 out of 15000. Which simplified is 1/4.

And yes I know those 850 aren't the only ones who enjoy housing. But in general term those 850 are the most active doing it on average. Just because you buy some items for housing during a event doesn't mean you are a house designer. Usually just means you like the item or may have a idea with it. A prime example being the conveyor belt. Players didn't really buy it because they are into decorating their house for the MOST part. But it was sold more for its "Auto-farm" that helped people farm. But beds are a example for what gives players ideas for their house if they are into that  

we should have auto unlock all gralets as well
and being creative with the nexus house is just to plain expensive for most players to buy the house and a bunch of furniture to fill it...  

Posted by Bio Boss

we should have auto unlock all gralets as well
and being creative with the nexus house is just to plain expensive for most players to buy the house and a bunch of furniture to fill it...

Agreed on both things  

Some people haven't gotten to the end game yet  

explain?  

Posted by Bio Boss

explain?

Eventually it's not a struggle to get things that you need vs things you want... and it becomes choosing the items you want.