Then explain why its taking around 12 shots to kill someone with a shipkia when it should take 6. I have tested and tested this. 90% of the time its not lag. Around 10% of the time it is. But if they lag and send a bullet wall, then your getting one back. Perfectly fair.  

Here's my proof

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrtlfgvLXkI

Not lagging as you'll see, takes 16 souizen shots dealing 8 damage (good shape) to kill this person  

Posted by BEH0LD iTz SAM

Here's my proof

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrtlfgvLXkI

Not lagging as you'll see, takes 16 souizen shots dealing 8 damage (good shape) to kill this person

Lagging != CPU Process.
Especially when there's a guy lagging infront of you LOL.

Posted by Ghettoicedtea

Then explain why its taking around 12 shots to kill someone with a shipkia when it should take 6. I have tested and tested this. 90% of the time its not lag. Around 10% of the time it is. But if they lag and send a bullet wall, then your getting one back. Perfectly fair.

The thing is pretty balanced, since you assume it's not 'lag', then they can hit you 12 shots till you die too! win-win.  

Posted by BEH0LD iTz SAM

Here's my proof

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrtlfgvLXkI

Not lagging as you'll see, takes 16 souizen shots dealing 8 damage (good shape) to kill this person

We added a new aspect to all items called 'hurt time' which is a variable that controls when the player can next get hurt.

All guns are 0.5 hurt time- let me break it down for you
So your Souizen does 8 damage which = 0.5 (hurt time) * 7 (7 hits is 54 hp, enough to kill this person) takes 3.5 seconds to kill this guy.
0.5 * 7 = 3.5 (simple right)

Now you also reloaded in this video clip, which made you wait 0.25 seconds (the freeze rate of the Souizen)

Now damage is based on the other persons lag, so for example if you're not lagging, but the other guy is (depending if they're on WiFi or 3G, same applies to you). If you see the bullet hit on YOUR screen, doesn't mean that the other player see's it hits them on their screen at that exact time.
This is the downside to clientside hit detection, but it's the best way.

I hope this makes sense  

Posted by snk

We added a new aspect to all items called 'hurt time' which is a variable that controls when the player can next get hurt.

All guns are 0.5 hurt time- let me break it down for you
So your Souizen does 8 damage which = 0.5 (hurt time) * 7 (7 hits is 54 hp, enough to kill this person) takes 3.5 seconds to kill this guy.
0.5 * 7 = 3.5 (simple right)

Now you also reloaded in this video clip, which made you wait 0.25 seconds (the freeze rate of the Souizen)

Now damage is based on the other persons lag, so for example if you're not lagging, but the other guy is (depending if they're on WiFi or 3G, same applies to you). If you see the bullet hit on YOUR screen, doesn't mean that the other player see's it hits them on their screen at that exact time.
This is the downside to clientside hit detection, but it's the best way.

I hope this makes sense

Believe me, the new hit registration timer is crap.

Tested on a few random people, NOT lagging or anything, takes me 12 bullets (souizen) to kill them= a whole clip. This is ridicoulous, not to mention laggers+hit timer=laggers dominate the spar/pk even more. Remove this please  

Was that in a spar? You can't even notice it unless you're sparring.

Which I can make it 0.3 (i think that's what it was) in a spar if necessary.  

Posted by snk

Was that in a spar? You can't even notice it unless you're sparring.

Which I can make it 0.3 (i think that's what it was) in a spar if necessary.

Applies for both PK and Spar, I'm a good sparrer, I can tell you that whitout people telling me anything I noticed there were changes.
And even when taking bases, this is just f'd up how you have to 10 shot someone to kill him.
We notice it in both spar and pk.
Honestly I find it very hard to kill someone in a spar/even in pk nowadays. And I count my hits, I never lost so much in spars...  

The hurt timer won't be changing, I can change it in spars without a question, however in gang zones and such I won't =[  

Remove it from spars, yes please. It's hella annoying as well a waste of half your bullets.  

Something needs to be done, the current system isn't working as intended. I've noticed on a daily basis shots dont register either hitting me or other people in bases.

Why is it such a big deal to revert the changes back? Haven't noticed it so bad until the .5 update.  

When did you guys notice it?  

Posted by snk

When did you guys notice it?

As soon as I stopped getting hit in spars when I shoot the first bullet. I noticed some time ago, a couple of weeks ago to be honest.  

its been out since the melee changes, so i think a month? lol  

yah pretty much lol. What's the main reason it was added as everything was fine before it? When I asked Meph (a few long weeks ago), he said that it would give sparring and basing more of a skill factor, which I'm sure everyone is fine with, but I guess it didn't turn out as most people expected it to be. It's just really annoying seeing your bullet hit the player in front of your eyes, yet no damage is reducted which also results in a waste of opportunity, and ammo.  

Posted by snk

its been out since the melee changes, so i think a month? lol

Its just horrible, and for pking (bases etc...) too.
Seriously takes 25 bar clips to kill a LAGGING player.
Just horrible
-but maybe you'll remove it when enough people complained.
If we'd make a petition there'd be 1000/1000 votes for yes remove it.
(I might exagerate a bit, but this is really killing everything)
As soon as it doesn't take exactly the amount of bullets (not talking about time) to kill someone, its horrible. 12 souizen bullets to kill someone in PK.(Takes 108 damage to kill someone having 50 HP)
And sparring has become horrible too.
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