I just read Pazx's avatar.....wow...just wow  

Ok, Frog and Pazk. The staff only changed what, two towers? The rest are normal. I think this is a good way to stop guilds with a ton of allies and afk members from holding every single tower in one server, and a fun way to see which way guilds like it. It's a test, and unless you have polled absolutely everyone who has tried KOTH, you can NOT say for sure that a majority hate it. Same to people for KOTH, you can't say a majority like it. And putting it only on Facebook server wouldn't work, because it's emptier. A lot of guilds won't change for it, and it's inconvenient. I already know you're going to say something along the lines of "If they like it so much, they can switch." But people without VIP, or money for VIP, don't want to delay. Inconvenience really does need to be taken into account, because if something's convenient it will be more popular. It's human nature, and still affects us in a game.  

Are you kidding me? You hate king of the hill? I LOVE THAT SHOW. I wish Hank was my dad  

Posted by Izarin Rofocale

Ok, Frog and Pazk. The staff only changed what, two towers? The rest are normal. I think this is a good way to stop guilds with a ton of allies and afk members from holding every single tower in one server, and a fun way to see which way guilds like it. It's a test, and unless you have polled absolutely everyone who has tried KOTH, you can NOT say for sure that a majority hate it. Same to people for KOTH, you can't say a majority like it. And putting it only on Facebook server wouldn't work, because it's emptier. A lot of guilds won't change for it, and it's inconvenient. I already know you're going to say something along the lines of "If they like it so much, they can switch." But people without VIP, or money for VIP, don't want to delay. Inconvenience really does need to be taken into account, because if something's convenient it will be more popular. It's human nature, and still affects us in a game.

It shouldnt be what the marjority thinks or what anyone on here thinks about it i bet half the people that say i like koth goes to a fort once a year me and pazx are trying to get rid of it because where at a fort basically every single day and we mean the majority that take forts, hate it because in the end the people that actually go to these forts should be the people with a say

I bet half the people agruing with us right now go to a fort once a week where there every single day of the week and i bet nearly everyone on here arent running a guild that takes forts often we want these forts to change back because there a good easy fort to take at the end of the week, if you dont know how hard it is to lead a successful attack on a fort every single day you really shoudnt be here, because you dont know what its like and why we want them changed so bad

Posted by monk

Are you kidding me? You hate king of the hill? I LOVE THAT SHOW. I wish Hank was my dad

Lmao

Posted by Mr.$imons

I just read Pazx's avatar.....wow...just wow

Thats how much trouble hes going to just to change these forts back.  

Posted by mr froggy

It shouldnt be what the marjority thinks or what anyone on here thinks about it i bet half the people that say i like koth goes to a fort once a year me and pazx are trying to get rid of it because where at a fort basically every single day and we mean the majority that take forts, hate it because in the end the people that actually go to these forts should be the people with a say [/

It should be the majority, actually. Because the game depends on majority rules. Almost all systems do. Being involved more, believe it or not, doesn't change anything. And really? Once a year? I go to a fort quite often.My guild loves to pk. Now, guilds that like to pk can actually get a fort AT THE SAME TIME. We get to run in there and kill everything, and can take the fort just like that. And I'm no good at standing and hitting a flag. It seems so redundant.

Posted by mr froggy

I bet half the people agruing with us right now go to a fort once a week where there every single day of the week and i bet nearly everyone on here arent running a guild that takes forts often we want these forts to change back because there a good easy fort to take at the end of the week, if you dont know how hard it is to lead a successful attack on a fort every single day you really shoudnt be here, because you dont know what its like and why we want them changed so bad

Ok, after deciphering this part... You're actually being incredibly selfish, like the other players who DEMAND that the admins/staff change something. Not everything is about you or the kind of people you are. This type of tower is for people who like different kinds of things. You have 3 other towers. Go use them, or go to the other ones on the facebook server. Use your own advice, guys. Let other people enjoy it without severe inconvenience.  

Posted by Izarin Rofocale

Ok, Frog and Pazk. The staff only changed what, two towers? The rest are normal. I think this is a good way to stop guilds with a ton of allies and afk members from holding every single tower in one server, and a fun way to see which way guilds like it. It's a test, and unless you have polled absolutely everyone who has tried KOTH, you can NOT say for sure that a majority hate it. Same to people for KOTH, you can't say a majority like it.

It's a fun way to see which way guilds like it? They like it the way it was before. I haven't polled everyone, but I've made a start. So far it stands at 52 people opposed to KotH and only 6 in favour. I'll keep asking, but I can say for sure that the majority are against it, because I have 100% confidence that the Graal community doesn't want a poor idea poorly executed.

Posted by Izarin Rofocale

And putting it only on Facebook server wouldn't work, because it's emptier. A lot of guilds won't change for it, and it's inconvenient. I already know you're going to say something along the lines of "If they like it so much, they can switch." But people without VIP, or money for VIP, don't want to delay. Inconvenience really does need to be taken into account, because if something's convenient it will be more popular. It's human nature, and still affects us in a game.

The only problem with your argument there is that guilds won't change for it because next to none of them like it. If you asked every fort guild on Graal, 90% would either be indifferent or opposed to KotH. I don't think you understand that the people who take forts genuinely dislike KotH.

Posted by Izarin Rofocale

It should be the majority, actually. Because the game depends on majority rules. Almost all systems do. Being involved more, believe it or not, doesn't change anything. And really? Once a year? I go to a fort quite often.My guild loves to pk. Now, guilds that like to pk can actually get a fort AT THE SAME TIME. We get to run in there and kill everything, and can take the fort just like that. And I'm no good at standing and hitting a flag. It seems so redundant.

Answer this honestly, because I can see that you're trying to argue against absolutely everything we say. Do you like the KotH system as it is?

Posted by Mr.$imons

I just read Pazx's avatar.....wow...just wow

If you're wondering, I got the 50.

Posted by monk

Are you kidding me? You hate king of the hill? I LOVE THAT SHOW. I wish Hank was my dad

Propane and propane accessories.  

Posted by Izarin Rofocale

Ok, after deciphering this part... You're actually being incredibly selfish, like the other players who DEMAND that the admins/staff change something. Not everything is about you or the kind of people you are. This type of tower is for people who like different kinds of things. You have 3 other towers. Go use them, or go to the other ones on the facebook server. Use your own advice, guys. Let other people enjoy it without severe inconvenience.

Google defines selfish as, Lacking consideration for others, Im not lacking consideration for others if i was id be saying get rid of KOTH on facebook and classic, All you run is a pk guild that luckily enough takes a fort for a whole 1 minute, and if im being selfish so is half of the top guilds on graal. You have 2 other towers on facebook server go use them, other people can enjoy it just on facebook server, where them and KOTH belong. This is exactly what im saying, Thats all you do you run a pk guild! you dont take forts nearly every day of the week for 2 hours, you dont understand how hard it is, your probably thinking if i back up the admins on this i might become an admin just like them. Why should you care if all you do is run a pk guild and not a proper fort taking guild.  

Posted by Pazx

Answer this honestly, because I can see that you're trying to argue against absolutely everything we say. Do you like the KotH system as it is?

Yes, I do. I enjoy pking the hell out of the holders of the fort, and getting the tower for that instead of hitting a little flag.

Posted by mr froggy

Google defines selfish as, Lacking consideration for others, Im not lacking consideration for others if i was id be saying get rid of KOTH on facebook and classic, All you run is a pk guild that luckily enough takes a fort for a whole 1 minute, and if im being selfish so is half of the top guilds on graal. You have 2 other towers on facebook server go use them, other people can enjoy it just on facebook server, where them and KOTH belong.

One whole minute? Lol! No, we can hold a tower longer than that. Don't assume. And then we're paying 7.5k a month to do towers on an empty server. It's perfectly fair to have half and half. We don't even have that right now.

Posted by mr froggy

This is exactly what im saying, Thats all you do you run a pk guild! you dont take forts nearly every day of the week for 2 hours, you dont understand how hard it is, your probably thinking if i back up the admins on this i might become an admin just like them. Why should you care if all you do is run a pk guild and not a proper fort taking guild.

Woah, woah, don't assume. I am NOT an admin follower. That's an old card, man. I've played iGraal for almost 2 years now, and I don't even WANT to be a staff member unless it was for graphics. That's off track, anyways. That's like me assuming you take towers JUST for a special hat at however many hours.
Not only that, I care because I enjoy taking KOTH on the Classic server, with my guild. For fun.  

Posted by Izarin Rofocale

Yes, I do. I enjoy pking the hell out of the holders of the fort, and getting the tower for that instead of hitting a little flag.
One whole minute? Lol! No, we can hold a tower longer than that. Don't assume. And then we're paying 7.5k a month to do towers on an empty server. It's perfectly fair to have half and half. We don't even have that right now.

Whats your guild name? give us a look at ya fort time.

Posted by Izarin Rofocale

Yes, I do. I enjoy pking the hell out of the holders of the fort, and getting the tower for that instead of hitting a little flag.
One whole minute? Lol! No, we can hold a tower longer than that. Don't assume. And then we're paying 7.5k a month to do towers on an empty server. It's perfectly fair to have half and half. We don't even have that right now.

Id rather hit a flag then play cat and mice, because thats all it is you run around they chase you. No skill and one can run around a flag room, now i bet your going to say oh and spamming at the flag with your sword takes skills? It does because its not only that its killing the people healing and killing you.  

Posted by mr froggy

Whats your guild name? give us a look at ya fort time.

Ventrue Vampires. It's got 86 hours of Fort time, Pre and Post- KOTH.

Posted by mr froggy

Id rather hit a flag then play cat and mice, because thats all it is you run around they chase you. No skill and one can run around a flag room, now i bet your going to say oh and spamming at the flag with your sword takes skills? It does because its not only that its killing the people healing and killing you.

Pk does actually take skill. It's like spar, except with a bit less lag. If you have maneuvers or a specific way you pk, you can do really well without dying. Pk is also about killing people before they kill you, it takes skill. Just because you don't pk as much doesn't mean it's worth less or doesn't take skill.  

Posted by Izarin Rofocale

Not only that, I care because I enjoy taking KOTH on the Classic server, with my guild. For fun.

Itd be better if admins just made a new fort and guild scores for koth >.> i recon thatd solve alot id be happy with it.

Posted by Izarin Rofocale

Ventrue Vampires. It's got 86 hours of Fort time, Pre and Post- KOTH.


Pk does actually take skill. It's like spar, except with a bit less lag. If you have maneuvers or a specific way you pk, you can do really well without dying. Pk is also about killing people before they kill you, it takes skill. Just because you don't pk as much doesn't mean it's worth less or doesn't take skill.

Im talking about taking KOTH forts not pking?
and fyi i do pk alot i wouldnt have 44k pk kills from not pking alot, but pking is a whole different topic  

Posted by mr froggy

Itd be better if admins just made a new fort and guild scores for koth >.> i recon thatd solve alot id be happy with it.



Im talking about taking KOTH forts not pking?
and fyi i do pk alot i wouldnt have 44k pk kills from not pking alot, but pking is a whole different topic

KOTH forts are good for pking to take the fort itself... Which I believe I stated before....
Anyways, I'm bored with this thread now. Good luck in all your arguments and such 8D  

Posted by Izarin Rofocale

KOTH forts are good for pking to take the fort itself... Which I believe I stated before....
Anyways, I'm bored with this thread now. Good luck in all your arguments and such 8D

Bye have a nice day =)  

Its just only 2 towers that have king of the hill. There are 4 towers that are guild forts. There are more guild forts than king of the hill forts. It shouldn't bother you at all from taking over forts. If you don't like them, then don't go to them!

You're not being forced to at your will! Stop complaining about it if you don't like it. There are others that do like it and maybe that this tower update is for them, not for you... so just step away from it if you don't like it  

Posted by Maikeru

Its just only 2 towers that have king of the hill. There are 4 towers that are guild forts. There are more guild forts than king of the hill forts. It shouldn't bother you at all from taking over forts. If you don't like them, then don't go to them!

You're not being forced to at your will! Stop complaining about it if you don't like it. There are others that do like it and maybe that this tower update is for them, not for you... so just step away from it if you don't like it

Of course your not complaing you dont take forts, others that do like it belong on facebook server. These are good easy forts for when we dont feel like doing much.

When your leader of a guild that constantly take forts then ill care what you have to say.