ZC is what's ruining the economy. Well, a major part at least. Only problem, which is a huge problem, is that there's no turning back now, really. The damage is done. Not sure if there's any method that will actually fix it all, other than removing ZC and starting over, which would ruin a lot of player's trading. I think TWIZ' idea is good, but ZC is way too abundant, so ZC would need to be exchanged more, like a 5:1 ratio for ZC->new currency. I would just remove ZC and replace it. No need to give players the option. Also a lot more items sold in the ZC shop won't necessarily help. It's too abundant and too easy to get that these 1 time buys don't matter to the overall economy. Events need to be separated with an entire different currency and shop, and the new trading currency could have 2 options. 1. It could be used literally only as currency and have no real value, except for the players giving it value. It may very well sound stupid, but in real life, this is exactly how things work. Gold is a major currency in the stock market, but has no real value or worth except for what civilization has placed on it. Option 2. would be creating something to give the trading currency worth, without them necessarily being used in a shop. The currency does need to be flushed out of the economy to make space for the new ones being obtained, whether this currency provides some advantage, a subscription to free trades, or anything really, just something to flush some of it out without creating an actual shop.  

Posted by PigParty

ZC is what's ruining the economy. Well, a major part at least. Only problem, which is a huge problem, is that there's no turning back now, really. The damage is done. Not sure if there's any method that will actually fix it all, other than removing ZC and starting over, which would ruin a lot of player's trading. I think TWIZ' idea is good, but ZC is way too abundant, so ZC would need to be exchanged more, like a 5:1 ratio for ZC->new currency. I would just remove ZC and replace it. No need to give players the option. Also a lot more items sold in the ZC shop won't necessarily help. It's too abundant and too easy to get that these 1 time buys don't matter to the overall economy. Events need to be separated with an entire different currency and shop, and the new trading currency could have 2 options. 1. It could be used literally only as currency and have no real value, except for the players giving it value. It may very well sound stupid, but in real life, this is exactly how things work. Gold is a major currency in the stock market, but has no real value or worth except for what civilization has placed on it. Option 2. would be creating something to give the trading currency worth, without them necessarily being used in a shop. The currency does need to be flushed out of the economy to make space for the new ones being obtained, whether this currency provides some advantage, a subscription to free trades, or anything really, just something to flush some of it out without creating an actual shop.

I assume that forcing people to replace it would cause too much confusion. They wouldn't see it coming, not to mention they would have to be notified what the exchange rate is to begin with.

Also, it wouldn't really change the value of things once people actually realize what the exchange rate is. They will simply decrease the prices accordingly. There is no relative decrease in supply, nor demand, and therefore no value is changed.  

What about making graalium the primary trading currency? Like remove zc and make a thing where you can cash them in for graalium?  

you know, no one here has the power to do these things, juz saying.

*ducks*  

Still need a plan tho :p  

Posted by TWIZ

I assume that forcing people to replace it would cause too much confusion. They wouldn't see it coming, not to mention they would have to be notified what the exchange rate is to begin with.

Also, it wouldn't really change the value of things once people actually realize what the exchange rate is. They will simply decrease the prices accordingly. There is no relative decrease in supply, nor demand, and therefore no value is changed.

They would be told through the news what happened... We wouldn't just replace ZC with a new item and leave them wondering. It's also not meant to change prices of items, but meant to change the ZC itself, which in the long run will change item prices if a system is correctly made for how to obtain that currency, unlike now.  

If the currency doesnt end up going back into the game in an equal manner that its being produced in, its not gonna work. Thats why eras trading is more controlled, the shells as the main currency is going back into the game for gralats, while our zc arent, they have basically no value after you've gotten what you need from the event shop.  

Posted by GenoIndeed

If the currency doesnt end up going back into the game in an equal manner that its being produced in, its not gonna work. Thats why eras trading is more controlled, the shells as the main currency is going back into the game for gralats, while our zc arent, they have basically no value after you've gotten what you need from the event shop.

That's basically what I was trying to say in my post. I was thinking trades should cost x amount of trade coin (new currency, just named it that for sake of the post) instead of 100 gralats, plus a weekly 'subscription' required to be able to trade. That would constantly get rid of trade coins. Let's be honest, some people say to just add more items to the ZC shop. Each item is a 1 time buy, so it will eventually return to this flawed state. We would need to constantly produce items that people would buy to prevent that, and it's not worth that effort and time. No one even buys ZC shop items besides heal staff and alien. The other items aren't competitive enough, and the hats aren't the best, and people just trade them for less than they can but them in the ZC shop. Constantly making new items would be a waste. We need a continuous payment to get trade coins out of the economy.  

You could make a God item worth 10000000zc.

That would lay waste on the whole economy once somebody buys it since that's like 1000000zc from the pool gone.

Or not even something worth that much, add in a new ZC item for like 8K and that's at least a solid 100K out of the system which would raise the prices of everything.

Or even just make it so missions give less zc. Less money in the pool. Raises stuff up. Ez.

Getting rid of ZC would just anger all the rich zonians.  

Zc need to be cycled to where it ends up as gralats. Remove zc from trading, make them cashable for graalium. Making graalium the main currency should work  

But then wouldn't that kind of overshadow the ZC shop?

Also, there's nothing useful in terms of Gralats. The reason why ZC is so successful is because people like setting up their own price. Like if you have a one of a kind hat, it should be your right to sell it for tons. With gralats you get so busy with trying to make it fair with other items.

But I agree. Zc should be tradable to cash.

Speaking of ZC and Cash, noobs fix the lottery. It's rigged af.  

Thats the issue now, zc are an imaginary value. Graalium tho is a SET value, neaning no made up prices, lower chance of inflation, zc have a purpose again. With idarks and twiz's plans, if we can find a middle ground solution and revolve it around graalium, it will work far better than with zc.  

Graalium isn't a set value.

Ur naive to think that people sell graalium to reflect how much items costs.

Like one piece sells for 25gralats I think at the robot shop. But it's worth like 10. And it currently trades for 3 for 1. So yea. It's not a set value. I even have a hookup that sells graalium for 5 for 1 because I'm their little muffin cake.

Zc should be exchangeable for gralats. Not graalium. Because not only is graalium already the easiest thing to get, it wouldn't really change anything. People will still get mad zc and still mad charge for mad hats and use zc to get mad zc items. Mad.

The only way to fix the economy is to take out our abundance of ZC.

Like I swear there's more than 500k out there.

Get rid of it, make it more scarce. Make it more scarce- makes prices lower. Makes prices lower- make the overall ZC worth more. Finally then will something worth 1.2k zc actually be premium.

And how do you get ZC out of circulation? Idk. Scam everyone and then get banned with all the zc... Orrr. Give players a way to throw away zc for gralats.  

The thing about the cost with graalium, is that most of these items arent buyable, meaning you'd have to make a price based on whats really fair for it, and with 2 numbers that are set, being the price of the item and the trade in value of the currency, it maintains itself much better, zc having no actual value can't help restrict how much people can charge for an item  

Posted by GenoIndeed

The thing about the cost with graalium, is that most of these items arent buyable, meaning you'd have to make a price based on whats really fair for it, and with 2 numbers that are set, being the price of the item and the trade in value of the currency, it maintains itself much better, zc having no actual value can't help restrict how much people can charge for an item

I mean it doesn't really have to be fair. Again. Supply and demand.

I could go out and buy a toy light sabre at walmart for like $40 and it would be the deluxe set that was made very fancy. There's a huge supply for it.

But instead I chose to get a custom one which set me back $249. While it didn't even take them a week to get it molded and done, it's way higher. There's no supply.

I would say that there are currently 7000 graalium being circulated on zone. If you make that our main source, which by the way is flawed since us players might say "uh no admins. we will now use kazoos as the main form of currency k", the price of it would be less stable than ZC. Because while people do get zc items, it's a one time thing people get. There's probably a bit under 200k zc out there. And for the most part that number stays the same since it's always being made, or being sold. But it's an even export import ratio. With graalium, someone who has like 8000 might wanna sell em. Well that's a lot. It's price will go up.

Or since graaliums easier to get than zc, people will get tons and then inflation occurs.

Also, one graalium is 10ish(i think) 4200 graalium for a ripper? Lmao. Lmao. BAHAHAHA. Again, we don't base prices on what they are worth. The ripper isn't worth 42k. Maybe on era, but on zone it's like the third most expensive and barely reaches top 5 guns.