Fort leaderboard preference - 4

Colin · 05-21-2016

Posted by fp4

All time records will never be part of the Leaderboards.

Did you miss this one G Fatal?

Rufus · 05-21-2016

Posted by G Fatal

it was said that they went with the majority of what players wanted.

Where?

PigParty · 05-21-2016

Posted by G Fatal

'Now I know that is a mighty big, nasty pill to swallow but swallow it you most certainly will.'

I just love that The Walking Dead quote.

Kuz · 05-21-2016

Hmmm rather not have a leaderboard which new players will see and be put off by them to the point they don't participate....

Ever since these leaderboards were put in place, spar/pk/bk have become more active...

G Fatal · 05-21-2016

Posted by Rufus

Where?

Actually maybe not, but looks like it was already decided by you-friends to have it, was actually one of the sparrers who first posted about seasonal stuff and a point system but heres post of you saying that community/group get things they when suggesting ideas.. I guess that's over the majority aswell then.http://www.graalians.com/forums/showpost.php?p=704177&postcount=36
And probably too late to go back by look of things, not that you want it anyway.. Although I am intrigued You say it can't be implemented + fp4 says it's still actually there in background, So you either can't for whatever reason+still could post ingame somewhere the old data for all to see or it can be done just not wanted.

Posted by Colin

Did you miss this one G Fatal?

Already saw The question is why? there isn't any explanation, saying it helps for people to be more competitive or helps new players think they best is bs.at forts its pretty much same pk if not worse imo. and seasonal could still be there.. They could if wanted even have it seperate from them seasonal stuff.

Thallen · 05-21-2016

All you have to do to get a suggestion added is present it nicely and explain how it's objectively good for the game... Objectively being the keyword there. It's not some 100% success rate method but I've seen it happen dozens of times on these forums.

Things that require a poll are usually subjective... If iClassic acted on everything that won a community poll with a sample size of 20, I can't imagine how bad the server would be.

Posted by G Fatal

there isn't any explanation

I can think of a bunch, so I'm sure staff can:

Posted by Thallen

Look at how much easier PKing is now compared to back then due to mobs and a higher playercount. Doesn't it seem strange to compare Anyu and Xenthic all-time when the data is so skewed due to how completely different it is?

The same goes for towering. My last post explains what I think of towering back then compared to towering right now. With the guild system changing soon, it may be even more skewed. We might have a towering environment where the highest number of hours a guild gets per day is 10, and there are 20-30 other guilds that get between 0-9 hours daily. Is it really relevant at that point to compare those guilds against CoM having 20k on a leaderboard?

Posted by Thallen

Speaking of BKs, that's another reason. They used to be measured by flat baddy kills, now they're points. How do you prorate that? Seems like all-time leaderboards are really constricting in terms of development. Simple changes like the latest stamina thing that affects bombs and bows, that has a huge impact on an all-time PKs leaderboard.

I dunno, just seems sloppy to have all of this mushed together into a permanent leaderboard. Doesn't seem to really hold much merit when things change so often.

G Fatal · 05-21-2016

Fair points on why to have (seasonal) yes, but daily/weekly/seasonal is relevant to getting to a bigger grand goal that had been there for years.

Like they could still have a seasonal which gave prizes or whatever but alltime was to show who's done most over the years, guilds/even players would now just get lots of kills etc see there miles ahead(eventually) then stop and do whatever like its shown by that dead guild s.e.a for the Season..so it's basically same thing but you declining it because its alltime..if guilds wanted to be up there they eventually would.

But I guess I can't really say for this new guild system and how it's exactly going to work/even out, care to say on that part

Bryan* · 05-21-2016

I can't even catch up in the Seasonal PK boards with all these mobs at swamp.

Rufus · 05-21-2016

Posted by G Fatal

Actually maybe not, but looks like it was already decided by you-friends to have it, was actually one of the sparrers who first posted about seasonal stuff and a point system

So?

Posted by G Fatal

but heres post of you saying that community/group get things they when suggesting ideas.. I guess that's over the majority aswell then.http://www.graalians.com/forums/showpost.php?p=704177&postcount=36

There's a staff team. Players make suggestions to the staff team. Staff also have their own opinion on how the server should be. If a player suggests something and the staff team agrees with it, thinks it fits in with their vision of the server, etc then it may be added. The server isn't ran on player suggestions either, suggestions are just suggestions. It has been like this on every Graal game ever.

You've been here for a long time now, I don't see how you haven't realized that it has nothing to do with 'majority' opinion. If it did Classic would have trading by now, there'd be a Nexus every week, and the guild system wouldn't be changing at all. Still, the majority opinion certainly wouldn't be drawn from the results of a forum poll.

Posted by G Fatal

And probably too late to go back by look of things, not that you want it anyway.. Although I am intrigued You say it can't be implemented + fp4 says it's still actually there in background, So you either can't for whatever reason+still could post ingame somewhere the old data for all to see or it can be done just not wanted.

You should re-read the original thread then.

G Fatal · 05-21-2016

Posted by Bryan*

I can't even catch up in the Seasonal PK boards with all these mobs at swamp.

Noticed that a few days ago mod is dead compared to how it was*competitive much* and swamp had lil pkmob inside, I guess maybe they'll remodel it to try and stop that but idk

Areo · 05-21-2016

Real pkers just need to be consistent. Mobs don't happen everyday, and you should take advantage of that. Im #5 and have not stepped into a mob at any point. Though, admittedly mob pkers will always win the season.

Bryan* · 05-21-2016

Posted by Areo

Real pkers just need to be consistent. Mobs don't happen everyday, and you should take advantage of that. Im #5 and have not stepped into a mob at any point. Though, admittedly mob pkers will always win the season.

Top 3 last season and this season have won and will win by Mob Pking. Unless staff is willing to put a No-PK zone in all areas (except forts) then guess we'll see a spam your thumbs in one area for seasonal PK rewards. I got only 9K kills (just by pking forts) and I'm yet to be in the top 50.

Thallen · 05-21-2016

Well, mob PKing is another thing players find subjectively bad... There's actually nothing wrong with it, some people just simply don't like it.

If you want to objectively suggest for staff to change it, find some way to convince them that the mobs are affecting the experience for new players or that mobs are being abused to trap them or something. I don't really think there's much of an argument for that though.

G Fatal · 05-21-2016

Personally think the no stamina and pk mobs around wasn't bad at all made it more fun and made towers active everything now seems more set for defence than attack.

Areo · 05-21-2016

Posted by Bryan*

Top 3 last season and this season have won and will win by Mob Pking. Unless staff is willing to put a No-PK zone in all areas (except forts) then guess we'll see a spam your thumbs in one area for seasonal PK rewards. I got only 9K kills (just by pking forts) and I'm yet to be in the top 50.

That wouldn't solve the issue, they'll bring said mobs to the door of mod.

It isn't about the experience of newer players. It's poor gameplay. An activity where you can just sit and press the button for hours and earn massive "rewards" is absolutely ludicrous. You could set a macro to your computer and easily do just as well as anyone else in the mob. That should be point enough on why it's bad for gameplay. Besides that, it creates a lot of unnecessary lag, which in turn affects all of our experiences.

Poll Results: Fort Leaderboard preference
42.31%	Alltime Leaderboard -without reset of hours
3.85%	AllTime Leaderboard -Resetting all hours-with history of old vers some where
19.23%	Seasonal Leaderboard -without alltime
34.62%	Seasonal Leaderboard -with alltime
Voters: 26. You may not vote on this poll

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Kuz Registered User Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 888	Hmmm rather not have a leaderboard which new players will see and be put off by them to the point they don't participate.... Ever since these leaderboards were put in place, spar/pk/bk have become more active...

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G Fatal Banned Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: UK Posts: 3,215	Fair points on why to have (seasonal) yes, but daily/weekly/seasonal is relevant to getting to a bigger grand goal that had been there for years. Like they could still have a seasonal which gave prizes or whatever but alltime was to show who's done most over the years, guilds/even players would now just get lots of kills etc see there miles ahead(eventually) then stop and do whatever like its shown by that dead guild s.e.a for the Season..so it's basically same thing but you declining it because its alltime..if guilds wanted to be up there they eventually would. But I guess I can't really say for this new guild system and how it's exactly going to work/even out, care to say on that part

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Bryan* Verified ✔️ Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: M.I.A Posts: 3,408	I can't even catch up in the Seasonal PK boards with all these mobs at swamp.

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Areo Dr. Professor Moderator Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: I’m always located somewhere Posts: 1,205	Real pkers just need to be consistent. Mobs don't happen everyday, and you should take advantage of that. Im #5 and have not stepped into a mob at any point. Though, admittedly mob pkers will always win the season.

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Thallen Enguard & Alumni Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 5,773	Well, mob PKing is another thing players find subjectively bad... There's actually nothing wrong with it, some people just simply don't like it. If you want to objectively suggest for staff to change it, find some way to convince them that the mobs are affecting the experience for new players or that mobs are being abused to trap them or something. I don't really think there's much of an argument for that though.