It's not their decision to get huge amount of money from spendthrifts.
It's how era releases new items and people are like 'amazed' and quickly took their mom's credit card and just buy it. Depends on whether they want a life or want to be filthy rich as their age now.  

Posted by Talon

Look at the mass complaining that's **** out in the forums and game, the image of a dumpster that Era has by a lot of the Graal population and tell me Era is "successful". League of Legends is not pay-to-win, Guild Wars 2 isn't pay-to-win and they're more successful a million times over and infinitely better games. Hell, even Classic isn't pay-to-win, and it's just a different server on the same game that was approached correctly, and it's more successful than Era. Classic's got the right idea on how to make steady revenue without destroying a game. Pay-to-win is a mechanic of the past, paying for aesthetics (and underhandedly suggesting players to buy them) is a very prevalent trend in MMOs today.

Yet at the end of the day Era manages to grow. What Graal game made the best app ever awards? Era did. The people who complain about pay2win probably shelled out $70 to buy a BAR. Most of the population doesn't care if its pay2win. They can complain and whine but when that new gun comes out, when that new melee is released they're the first ones to spend the money to get them.

Posted by XSTÃRX

It's not their decision to get huge amount of money from spendthrifts.
It's how era releases new items and people are like 'amazed' and quickly took their mom's credit card and just buy it. Depends on whether they want a life or want to be filthy rich as their age now.

Exactly. Everyone just HAS to have the new' items. They're so lazy to dig or trashpick so they spend money!  

Posted by iHot

Yet at the end of the day Era manages to grow. What Graal game made the best app ever awards? Era did. The people who complain about pay2win probably shelled out $70 to buy a BAR. Most of the population doesn't care if its pay2win. They can complain and whine but when that new gun comes out, when that new melee is released they're the first ones to spend the money to get them.

I wouldn't call the "Best App Ever Awards" which were tirelessly promoed to the entire playerbase by staff either prestigious or successful. Sure, Era's feeding off of the ignorance of most of the aforementioned community, but it doesn't detract from the fact that the pay-to-win system is broken and that game mechanics and pricing schemes are insulting.

Posted by iHot

Exactly. Everyone just HAS to have the new' items. They're so lazy to dig or trashpick so they spend money!

Not helping your case here. Did you read my first post at all? It's not the fact that people are lazy, it's the fact that every way to make money without paying is awful and takes a huge amount of time.  

Posted by Talon

I wouldn't call the "Best App Ever Awards" which were tirelessly promoed to the entire playerbase by staff either prestigious or successful. Sure, Era's feeding off of the ignorance of most of the aforementioned community, but it doesn't detract from the fact that the pay-to-win system is broken and that game mechanics and pricing schemes are insulting.



Not helping your case here. Did you read my first post at all? It's not the fact that people are lazy, it's the fact that every way to make money without paying is awful and takes a huge amount of time.

Come on Talon it's not that hard. Mushroom and trash picking is good. Farming in Classic isn't easy either.  

@albus: just no.

Since you're comparing Graal with games which are world-wide known..
Era atleast has no guns purchase-able with real money only. You don't need to pay to "win", you don't even need some "OP Gun" to win. Most of the players complaining about p2w are usually just too lazy to get Gralats without buying some. I clearly don't see any 'real p2w' on the game.

TL;DR: Want a gun? Work for it.  

Posted by PumaD

TL;DR: Want a gun? Work for it.

What's the highest priced gun? 500k? Lol, most veteran Era players even know it's P2W.  

Posted by PumaD

@albus: just no.

Since you're comparing Graal with games which are world-wide known..
Era atleast has no guns purchase-able with real money only. You don't need to pay to "win", you don't even need some "OP Gun" to win. Most of the players complaining about p2w are usually just too lazy to get Gralats without buying some. I clearly don't see any 'real p2w' on the game.

TL;DR: Want a gun? Work for it.

I've seen many of them(mostly Arabs sorry for saying).
After minigun was released, many has gotten it in 1-2 days without pure earning.
They hide their achievements cause their scared to be called a 'p2w player'. Once you let the cat out, you'll never be safe again on a game.
Mocking is one thing many does- not understanding and simply throw tantrum.  

Oh and by the way, releasing another 200k gun (minigun, yes a god danm minigun) is the stupidest, stupidest idea you could have done  

one good thing about era is that they have the funniest noobs. I love watching the "I'm better than you arguments" amongst them.  

Posted by PumaD

@albus: just no.

Since you're comparing Graal with games which are world-wide known..
Era atleast has no guns purchase-able with real money only. You don't need to pay to "win", you don't even need some "OP Gun" to win. Most of the players complaining about p2w are usually just too lazy to get Gralats without buying some. I clearly don't see any 'real p2w' on the game.

TL;DR: Want a gun? Work for it.

Since I'm comparing a game's mechanics to other known game mechanics as a well-know reference point, I'm... what? (you forgot to finish your sentence) - In any event, if you read and thought about it as opposed to glossing over it and "hurr durr GW2 LoL wat a retart" posting, you may have found what you were looking for.

Posted by Talon

Look at the mass complaining that's **** out in the forums and game, the image of a dumpster that Era has by a lot of the Graal population and tell me Era is "successful". League of Legends is not pay-to-win, Guild Wars 2 isn't pay-to-win and they're more successful a million times over and infinitely better games. Hell, even Classic isn't pay-to-win, and it's just a different server on the same game that was approached correctly, and it's more successful than Era. Classic's got the right idea on how to make steady revenue without destroying a game. Pay-to-win is a mechanic of the past, paying for aesthetics (and underhandedly suggesting players to buy them) is a very prevalent trend in MMOs today.

My point was that two extremely popular and successful fames don't utilize a pay-to-win system, and Classic doesn't either and they've got a bigger playerbase than Era.

Posted by PumaD

@albus: just no.

Do you lack any reasoning behind your "refutations" or do you have nothing of substance to counter anything I've said?

Sure, Era has one redeeming factor behind its ridiculous pricing schemes and that's the fact that there isn't a currency that can only be earned through payment. Again, it doesn't detract from the fact that affording one of the better guns in the game. Take a look at Alexei's data regarding generating income which seem perfectly realistic with small amount of margin of variation:

Posted by Alexei

1. Digging= 316$/10min
1896$/hour

Assuming starting from 0 and a steady pace, it takes 105 hours - not of real hours, but of digging hours to be able to afford a BAR. On the other hand, you can spend $75 USD and get it instantly (and remember, you're not buying a limited edition of a quality game, you're paying this much money to have a file consisting of a few lines of text and a small sprite added to your account). If you don't consider that grind and broken game design, I'd like to know what is.  

They should just make the BAR only purchased with a different currency other than Gralats that you actually have to pay money for. You know, like actual Pay2Win games do it.

Era isn't Pay2Win. Era is Pay2GetBetterFaster

Anything in Era, you can honestly get within a week of doing jobs without paying a cent. There is no Pay wall to progress. There is no required payments to be made to obtain the best gear.

It's a grind so that not every single noob has all the good ****. Imagine if everyone had a BAR or a PBP. Then you would all be complaining about how unplayable the game is.

Era is still the better server of the 3 released imo. I mean, unless you would rather go buy hats.  

So what do you all want? Tell Stefan to shut down iTunes Store and make a era "earn your own Gralats day"? I bet all those spenders will be upset and wants to open up a conflict where riots will start.

Nothing will change, their born to be rich people. It's their personal choice to use up their savings on a game. All this fake hours and kills, all those players acting like some historian geek. I've never seen era going down once, I guess it starts now.  

If that "get better faster" mechanic you're talking about is a reasonable amount of time, then sure, it wouldn't be pay-to-win. But when you have to grind 105 digging hours to get a BAR, then it becomes an issue. And if everyone had BARs and PBPs the game would be pretty balanced, considering everyone would be on an absolutely even playing field. Even making the comparison that if everyone would have a weapon would make a game unplayable implies that people believe the gun is overpowered to the point where facing against it isn't fun. And since players want to have fun and be on an even playing field with the rest of BAR/PBP users, they're essentially forced to either grind hours upon hours of digging or pay.  

It would be unplayable because everyone would be spraying a 10 dmg gun. It's not unbalanced at all, the freeze on it sucks terribly and any good player can maneuver and take out a BAR user. It becomes a problem when multiple people are spraying like a wall and you can't move. You can still move in Era so it's not as bad as you say.  

Posted by Talon

If that "get better faster" mechanic you're talking about is a reasonable amount of time, then sure, it wouldn't be pay-to-win. But when you have to grind 105 digging hours to get a BAR, then it becomes an issu.

Isn't it like this with any game? You basically have to "grind" to get the good stuff. I suppose any game with IAP are Pay2Win?