If Mikasa met up with Asuna irl, Asuna would be dead meat. And no, Eren didn't really want her protection, but Mikasa was looking out for him even if he didn't want it. Hadzz, you say that they're in a virtual reality so Asuna would be just as good at fighting, but when Kirito get out of the game, he couldn't even beat his sister.  

And so the circle of arguments continues where both sides hope to convince the other why each character is better getting no where whatsoever.  

Posted by Hadzz

I never sayed she was useless im just saying asuna wasnt a terrible character and she did fight to get where she was.sao was a virtual reality not just a game it was basicaly another world the only real diffrence between any human is in theory the human brain which is where the story is set out.And i also find sao an equal level anime to aot i prefered the cast for sao that is all i think your the blindone as you mistaked my comedy with for realism and also have ignored a lot of things which i have picked up on.I was also trying to pick up on the fact that mikasa and asuna arent too diffrent and in my opinion mikasas a bit of a token girl besides whats wrong with being a token girl and i bet you anything mikasa will eventually end up in the same state as asuna if they continued the story as im pretty sure a lot of scenes were hinting at it.

Asuna is written horribly. She's a horrible character all around, and it's not only her. The entire story of SAO was terrible, I'm very much in the majority here.

SAO is a Virtual Reality Massively Multiplayer Online Role-Playing Game (VRMMORPG). It is a video game, this isn't Log Horizon where it is a different reality. Wikipedia Link, first line in the plot description.

That's your opinion, which is great. I'm happy you enjoyed SAO as much as you did. I enjoyed the series too, not as much as I could have. The animation is what really kept me into the series, it's very well done.

I'm sorry, which parts were you using sarcasm? I couldn't really tell. I thought I responded to everything in what you posted, mind showing me what I missed so I can respond to it?

Mikasa and Asuna are VERY different characters. No one's upset with Asuna being a token girl, if they made her that way from the start, which they didn't. They made her out to be this badass chick, then later, token girl. That's what people have a problem with.

Mikasa, and the rest of Attack on Titan story, were very well written in the first season. The only problem I've had was the pacing was slow at times. If they make Mikasa a token girl, then they'll get the same judgement from me from SAO. The chances of them making Mikasa a useless character is very near 0%.

Posted by Tyler

And so the circle of arguments continues where both sides hope to convince the other why each character is better getting no where whatsoever.

Having discussions about things we enjoy really is fun. Isn't this the whole point of the forums, to discuss and argue points?  

Posted by Sariss

If Mikasa met up with Asuna irl, Asuna would be dead meat. And no, Eren didn't really want her protection, but Mikasa was looking out for him even if he didn't want it. Hadzz, you say that they're in a virtual reality so Asuna would be just as good at fighting, but when Kirito get out of the game, he couldn't even beat his sister.

His sister had trained in kendo for eight or something years kirito was in sao for three and there was no scene in which kirito started fighting the final boss so yeah of course shes gonna be better than him at something shes trained much longer than him at id also like to see how good any protagonist they would be after theyve been in a coma for three years and im sure kirito would have pwned if he was dueling her in sao and as for asuna vs mikasa mikasa only showed any remarkable sword skills in the series but a great maneuver gear capability which wouldnt be useful against a small target but if both characters were in there element asuna would win easily even if health and damage were equal for both players -hard work will always overcome born skill

Posted by GlazeyB

Asuna is written horribly. She's a horrible character all around, and it's not only her. The entire story of SAO was terrible, I'm very much in the majority here.

SAO is a Virtual Reality Massively Multiplayer Online Role-Playing Game (VRMMORPG). It is a video game, this isn't Log Horizon where it is a different reality. Wikipedia Link, first line in the plot description.

That's your opinion, which is great. I'm happy you enjoyed SAO as much as you did. I enjoyed the series too, not as much as I could have. The animation is what really kept me into the series, it's very well done.

I'm sorry, which parts were you using sarcasm? I couldn't really tell. I thought I responded to everything in what you posted, mind showing me what I missed so I can respond to it?

Mikasa and Asuna are VERY different characters. No one's upset with Asuna being a token girl, if they made her that way from the start, which they didn't. They made her out to be this badass chick, then later, token girl. That's what people have a problem with.

Mikasa, and the rest of Attack on Titan story, were very well written in the first season. The only problem I've had was the pacing was slow at times. If they make Mikasa a token girl, then they'll get the same judgement from me from SAO. The chances of them making Mikasa a useless character is very near 0%.

Having discussions about things we enjoy really is fun. Isn't this the whole point of the forums, to discuss and argue points?

Where going off the point here asuna was usefull none of what hapened in sao could of hapened without her and screw the majority she wasnt really a bad ass chick she showed herself that way for about two episodes the rest she was about midstate  

Face it guys.

There's a lot more popular anime characters than just these overhyped figures.  

Posted by GlazeyB

Having discussions about things we enjoy really is fun. Isn't this the whole point of the forums, to discuss and argue points?

Discussing is fun, arguing points isn't. You're convinced Asuna sucks, I'm convinced she's not. Neither of us are persuading one another. I just feel like I'm repeating myself now. Why I even attempted to convince people that Asuna is a good character is a mystery. Everyone has their own predetermined thoughts of her it seems. I remember the Asuna from the first Arc and that's the one I believe in.  

Posted by Hadzz

His sister had trained in kendo for eight or something years kirito was in sao for three and there was no scene in which kirito started fighting the final boss so yeah of course shes gonna be better than him at something shes trained much longer than him at id also like to see how good any protagonist they would be after theyve been in a coma for three years and im sure kirito would have pwned if he was dueling her in sao and as for asuna vs mikasa mikasa only showed any remarkable sword skills in the series but a great maneuver gear capability which wouldnt be useful against a small target but if both characters were in there element asuna would win easily even if health and damage were equal for both players -hard work will always overcome born skill

Mikasa isn't a normal human though, they've hinted at this when we got that back story of hers. While she doesn't have the exact ability to turn into a titan, my bets on she will become one in order to protect Eren. In a straight up battle, Asuna with her video game powers would win simply because she wouldn't lose stamina as fast as Mikasa, not to mention the abilities she can do.

Doesn't change the fact that Mikasa is still a better written character and Asuna became irrelevant after the first couple episodes.

Where going off the point here asuna was usefull none of what hapened in sao could of hapened without her and screw the majority she wasnt really a bad ass chick she showed herself that way for about two episodes the rest she was about midstate

Everything could of happened except arguably the begining where she saved Kirito and the end the two of them broke the laws of the game.

Posted by Tyler

Discussing is fun, arguing points isn't. You're convinced Asuna sucks, I'm convinced she's not. Neither of us are persuading one another. I just feel like I'm repeating myself now. Why I even attempted to convince people that Asuna is a good character is a mystery. Everyone has their own predetermined thoughts of her it seems. I remember the Asuna from the first Arc and that's the one I believe in.

Arguments are just another form of discussions, the difference between those two is that arguments have two different stand points. Asuna isn't the only terrible character, the entire story of SAO was.  

Lets be all honest here. In the wide range world of anime it seems that most directors can nail male characters, however the whole concept of female characters seems to throw alot of directors off. Whenever this is from the source material that they or adapting or just not having a clue there is alot more weaker female character. However when a female character is nailed they are normaly brilliant.

On the topic of the two characters here in Asuna and Mikasa i feel both are not the greatest. Asuna starts of good but then falls into the trap of " i can't do anything without my boyfriend" and just does'nt progress at all. Meanwhile with have Mikasa, the stonecold emotionless female godess. Don't get me wrong she does have potential as the manga is'nt finished (note i know SAO is still carrying on but Asuna gets hardly an screentime in the next books)  

Ugh, ok I'm just going to stop being involved here.  

Posted by GlazeyB

Arguments are just another form of discussions, the difference between those two is that arguments have two different stand points. Asuna isn't the only terrible character, the entire story of SAO was.

Yeah, yeah whatever you say.  

Posted by GlazeyB

Mikasa isn't a normal human though, they've hinted at this when we got that back story of hers. While she doesn't have the exact ability to turn into a titan, my bets on she will become one in order to protect Eren. In a straight up battle, Asuna with her video game powers would win simply because she wouldn't lose stamina as fast as Mikasa, not to mention the abilities she can do.

Doesn't change the fact that Mikasa is still a better written character and Asuna became irrelevant after the first couple episodes.



Everything could of happened except arguably the begining where she saved Kirito and the end the two of them broke the laws of the game.

Arguments are just another form of discussions, the difference between those two is that arguments have two different stand points. Asuna isn't the only terrible character, the entire story of SAO was.

How did they break the laws of the game kirito probably would of died on the first boss without her help and your talkng about something that might happen and didnt they fight monster ten times there size in sao  

Posted by Hadzz

How did they break the laws of the game kirito probably would of died on the first boss without her help and your talkng about something that might happen and didnt they fight monster ten times there size in sao

Okay, so we're going to not accept they broke the laws of the game by coming back to life after being killed by Kayaba Akihiko.  

Posted by GlazeyB

Okay, so we're going to not accept they broke the laws of the game by coming back to life after being killed by Kayaba Akihiko.

I figured that kayabas sub conscience or a glimpse of morality made him decide to put in sort of revival point incase he decided he didnt want someone to die that or like alfheim they have that respawn time and kayaba was able to manipulate the data and if your talking about how kirito didnt leave the realm instantly its probably due to a bug with the game as it is wired up to the human nerve system besides eren breaks the laws of nature  

Posted by Hadzz

I figured that kayabas sub conscience or a glimpse of morality made him decide to put in sort of revival point incase he decided he didnt want someone to die that or like alfheim they have that respawn time and kayaba was able to manipulate the data and if your talking about how kirito didnt leave the realm instantly its probably due to a bug with the game as it is wired up to the human nerve system besides eren breaks the laws of nature

Pure speculation. If you die in the game, you die in real life. Kayaba ceased to exist once Kirito broke the games programming, leaving the "copy" of Kayaba around. If he wanted to make exceptions, wouldn't he make himself one? Why would he also let Asuna live?


Attack on Titan isn't supposed to have realistic elements. They're both fantasy, but which one seems more plausible with how our technology is coming along?  

Posted by GlazeyB

Pure speculation. If you die in the game, you die in real life. Kayaba ceased to exist once Kirito broke the games programming, leaving the "copy" of Kayaba around. If he wanted to make exceptions, wouldn't he make himself one? Why would he also let Asuna live?


Attack on Titan isn't supposed to have realistic elements. They're both fantasy, but which one seems more plausible with how our technology is coming along?

Did you not just read what i stated its obviously morals which made him have sympathy to spare there lives kayaba was a diffrent kind of mad man and who sugested that kayaba ceased to exist once he was defeated they never found him irl