Posted by Thallen

yeah, major pain to do something i literally already do on the private part of my guild's website just so they have access to GPs since reporting is actually useless

woe is me, my heavy workload

By all means, apply, if you get a position then fantastic! You seem happy enough to constantly update it anyways.

P.S It's a really helpful and beneficial tool to know who the admins are these days, and if you're annoyed that they got rid of something from the kiosk that you apparently are already doing privately on your website, why keep it private and complain that they aren't doing what you already are? Why not make it public so people can view your site and see all the staff members?

Posted by Yog

It's possible to fetch from serverops. It was probably done automatically.

Perhaps, I remember seeing a post from Dusty that said why they stopped it. I don't think it said anything about them using an automatic updater. don't know what happened to the post though.  

My guesses are that the public sign just made Admins getting spammed for every little sh*t and it'd only take Admins longer.

I will never understand why noob with 2000afk hours do get Admin when there so many more active experienced players that could get the job done, might as well just hire a few PKers / Sparrers that only get the option to warn players, I don't see how this could effect any player, there enough mature people that'd do this job better than most in the GP Team  

Posted by Red

hire kosiris, sugar, bryan, zicknex, the roller, beg td to rejoin, beg fulgore to rejoin, <- best gp team you will acquire.

While you're at it, please bring the staff list back, thanks.

Fulgore being GP (again) would be best option IMO out of that group (maybe Kosiris too but I don't know him well), but I actually know a few that would also do well, there are many many people who don't post on this forum. Being GP especially in a server consisting of thousands of players is tough and if you are concentrating on one aspect of the game (or 2-3). The amount of turnaround (GPs coming and going) for a task like that is substantial and managing a team like that (with turnaround) is near fulltime job. Saying someone is not bias is a ridiculous statement and should never be considered because that is a completely unique position and this is a game involving people paying real money and not free. That never will end well.

But fact is it's all volunteer work and it's absolutely unrealistic to expect 100% of the time an admin should be on to take care of these issues at all times. Hacking has been part of graal forever and expecting a full team to be on 24/7 to monitor all aspects of graal (spar is the minority) is just dumb. The only realistic solution is some automation involved which in graals current state sounds impossible. Since I've been back I have encountered this a bunch (people hacking) and obviously recently it has escalated but ultimately an admin can't do **** because the hacker in question can just log in to another account.

I would recommend more requirements to spar in BA than just bash admins who get paid NOTHING if automation isn't realistic. This would limit hackers from just jumping on another account instantly (if they have a back up alt) and require them to do more than just idle for 24 hours to disrupt sparring easily.

If the game is going to continue to use volunteers you can always expect this but if you want pretty consistent results that arent bias (and 95% of people have bias) then automation would help with that for more definitive proof of a hacker (especially speed hackers). An 'eye' test will not work for this, eye tests only work for obvious hackers but people who toggle is completely yolo. But involving spar I would question how much revenue/priority that would be vs the rest of the server.

Until Graal actually pays people real money, this issue will keep going on and on and on and this argument will just repeat over and over and over.  

Back to the title of the thread there's been an increase of hackers all over the server especially forts, MoD, Deadwood and Swamp tower have all recently had someone who is running super fast, someone who has infinite health and someone who will lose health down to 1.5 and then health will automatically go back up to 3 and someone that's walking all over trees and buildings. I've reported all of these people and asked for a cookie too and again these people are still roaming for hours afterwards.

If new staff members can't or won't be recruited then give certain players higher priority reports that alert staff and can upload images of certain individuals doing a certain act and maybe the ability to upload a 15 second video for visual proof somebody is speed hacking or has infinite health with their profile/name exposed. If that's not possible then GPs should send and receive emails/PMS more actively by working with the playerbase (PK/SPAR/OVERWORLD/HACK and GLITCHTESTERS)to get these issues sorted to prevent it from becoming a bigger issue in the future.  

Posted by Jarace

Is the last question on the application a better example of something you would like to see? It's something we could definitely consider adding more of, but I can't directly influence it so it might take a while to change.

This?

When you feel that a team is working efficiently with the exception of one member who is clearly not 'pulling their weight,' what steps will you take?

That's the worst question on the application to me. What's it good for? There are two honest answers:

1. I'd wonder why in the hell Jarace or Dread hired them.
2. I'd shut up and continue to do my job because I don't have any power to change that and it isn't my job.

But that's not what you're looking for, you guys are looking for one of the cheesy answers that you can find on any of these websites:


I'm just failing to see the point, and it's really not that surprising that people who could be good GPs, like David or Kosiris, have their applications ignored when they apply if this is the first step of the process.

Posted by LoX

Why not make it public so people can view your site and see all the staff members?.

I already have one staff member who strangely reads through my PMs and warns/bans me for non-offensive things that I say to friends. I don't need there to be more people like that just because I try to force them to do what they already should be.  

i can confirm that revealing staff members = extremely annoying. you get a fistful of "admin?" PMs along with "can u help me?". lucky for devs we couldn't even help if we wanted to, but i feel so bad for the GPs that would have to follow up every idiot who doesnt even think to state their problem in the first two PMs (yea two, its actually usually "admin?" followed by "can u help me?" once you acknowledge them)

when GPs got the regions locked down they do a decent job considering the number of reports that get flooded in, people just dont know because theyve never worked on iclassic  

Posted by Red

hire kosiris, sugar, bryan, zicknex, the roller, beg td to rejoin, beg fulgore to rejoin, <- best gp team you will acquire.

While you're at it, please bring the staff list back, thanks.

I'll apply whenever they broadcast another message since I haven't been banned in quite a while. But don't count on me getting hired either.  

Posted by Bryan*

I'll apply whenever they broadcast another message since I haven't been banned in quite a while. But don't count on me getting hired either.

Here's the link: gp.graalonlineclassic.com  

While we're on the topic: I think I have NEVER (not even an exaggeration) seen Electron online? I feel like he comes on for 10 minutes every other day or something??  

Like I mentioned on my previous post, unless Developers can implement a system that can automatically disconnect players when they are (speed hacking, infinite health hack, bypassing restricted areas, and purposely lag blocking), we're going to keep having hackers. You can ban them sure, but they'll just get on a new account and do it again.

For example: There's a player named NPC that's outside of the Arena everyday ranting about how admins are and I quote, "3astards/Dum/WH0R3Z/etc", gets banned, gets on a new account and repeats the process. I've seen him already with a flag from the US, UK, and India.

Only Developers can halt the issue but that isn't their priority at the moment.  

Posted by Coco

the reason not everyone who applies gets hired is because, obviously, not everyone is qualified.

If you're telling me that Kosiris isn't qualified to police this game and Electron is, I have to question your judgement and knowledge of the candidates and this game in general.

Posted by Coco

Just because someone spars a lot and/or has been around a while doesn't suddenly make them qualified.

Well, nobody said it did. People are just saying it's helpful if you are an active member of the competitive side of the game. You're better equipped to see what is hacking vs what is delay or lag. Either way, I think "being around a while" should count for something. It shows that you care about the game.

Posted by Coco

As for Leah, she's the only person that I hired that's actually stuck around this long and hasn't done anything stupid

lol

Posted by Coco

because again, having sparring experience doesn't make you more qualified than someone without it.

again, nobody said that it does

Posted by Coco

GPs have an entire world to monitor. People are hacking/glitching/breaking rules all over the place that they have to deal with and no one seems to say anything about that, but oh god if something happens in the battle arena everyone goes absolutely insane and starts saying GPs aren't doing their jobs. Get over yourself. GPs aren't machines and can only do so much at a time.

This is just silly. People always talk about people hacking at towers and swamp. It's never "just the battle arena" that gets complaints. We need GPs that monitor all areas of GAMEPLAY. That's where the hacking happens. It's just funny to me that so many admins idle in the battle arena lobby or outside of battle arena... It doesn't take a genius to figure out that if you're going to sit and idle tabbed out of graal, you might as well do it inside the spar arena. That way there's at least a CHANCE you catch someone hacking when you tab back in for 30 seconds or whatever..  

Posted by David

If you're telling me that Kosiris isn't qualified to police this game and Electron is, I have to question your judgement and knowledge of the candidates and this game in general.


This is just silly. People always talk about people hacking at towers and swamp. It's never "just the battle arena" that gets complaints. We need GPs that monitor all areas of GAMEPLAY. That's where the hacking happens. It's just funny to me that so many admins idle in the battle arena lobby or outside of battle arena... It doesn't take a genius to figure out that if you're going to sit and idle tabbed out of graal, you might as well do it inside the spar arena. That way there's at least a CHANCE you catch someone hacking when you tab back in for 30 seconds or whatever..

Coco doesn't have anything to say about who gets hired as a GP. That's not her job or responsibility. Blaming this all on her just looks sad.

And yes, GPs are monitoring all areas of Graal and its gameplay.
I'll probably just stop here though, it doesn't really matter what any of us explains.  

never blamed her personally

good try though  

I feel like part of the disconnect lies in the type of rule-breaking that goes on. In non-competetive aspects of the game, hacking mostly consists of blatantly fast people, running through walls, etc. This is easy to catch and ban. In more competitive aspects, people realize they'll get banned if it's obvious (sometimes) so many will make it more subtle, such as barely speeding, or toggling speed or godmode. Understandably, this makes it harder for staff to judge the scenario, but it's also the reason why having staff that are familiar with these areas of the game is a good idea. Sure it isn't technically neccesary, but it would certainly help. This is especially true if you hire someone who really cares about that aspect of the game, and making it a better environment.

Someone who loves towering, for example, and has done so for a long time, will be more adept at recognizing what's cheating and what isn't in a towering scenario, and they also have the investment in the area that prompts them to actively patrol it. Now nobody is saying staff should constantly be on the prowl only at these areas, but again, having people who care about these areas would help prevent things like a godmode hacker streaking for an hour.

I don't really see how this could possibly be a bad thing.  

I seriously think we kinda overreacted tho, yes that what happend showed that we Defiantly need GPs that are into competitive aspects of the game but I've to be honest all the speed hackers etc that I seen got banned pretty fast, IMO the GP team is pretty good right now, but with competitive Admins the team would be at its best, really hope they'll think about it and actually hire more expierenced players