Posted by Crag

I really don't understand how people enjoy sparring so much. The hit detection is so bad it's almost unplayable.

The hit detection isn't bad at all, it's just that many of the players and the server itself is often very laggy. What do you enjoy when playing Graal?  

Posted by Thallen

Your choice does not affect me at all and I will continue winning because I am a smarter and better player than you. I am raising my hands in victory right now at the thought of how much smarter and better I am than you. I feel like a superior human, far beyond your level of understanding, intelligence, and competitiveness. Defeating you in this conversation was as effortless as it'd be to defeat you in a spar. You are a terrible internet gaming peon who will never come close to me and I am disgusted that we even play the same game.

This is what happens when laggers think they're good.  

Posted by GotenGraal

This is what happens when laggers think they're good.

Your stupidity for taking me seriously is: Very High  

Posted by Thallen

Your stupidity for taking me seriously is: Very High

The chance that you're serious because of how arrogant you're over an online game: Very high.  

With his spar record, he has the right to be arrogant, js.  

Ash Ketchum: "Hey guys, to prove my point pc players walk through spar hits, im going to completely neglect the fact that im defending the view of idevice vs PC and change it to PC vs PC. Hey, might as well change the server and the client too!"  

Posted by Rezon

Further proof for my post. Avoid question, throw a personal bash then walk off like they're superior. Its all a pride thing.

You're one to talk *points below*. Anyways, if you say the controls are not an advantage, they are. It's not the controls themselves, it's what you can do with the PC controls that you can't with the iDevice controls. I don't know how many times me or anyone else here has to repeat it to register through people's minds. It is an advantage. I made a little gameplay footage to show you what I mean below. You can see where I run straight up vertically a couple times and freeze my actions. You are not able to do that on an iDevice. No, it's not a pride thing. No, it's not experience. I have hated the idea of PC sparring since day one.

Posted by Rezon

Everyone claims to have provided sufficient evidence, however they have been shut down every single time and continue to think they're right.

Posted by Rezon

They're just going to pull **** out of thier ass and pretend like they know something.

 

Posted by Tyler

You're one to talk *points below*. Anyways, if you say the controls are not an advantage, they are. It's not the controls themselves, it's what you can do with the PC controls that you can't with the iDevice controls. I don't know how many times me or anyone else here has to repeat it to register through people's minds. It is an advantage. I made a little gameplay footage to show you what I mean below. You can see where I run straight up vertically a couple times and freeze my actions. You are not able to do that on an iDevice. No, it's not a pride thing. No, it's not experience. I have hated the idea of PC sparring since day one.

I never said that there was no advantage to being able to strafe, I just said its pretty unnoticeable and nobody uses it. I also have no idea what that video is proving, you're just running around some noob. I also don't get what you mean by 'freezing your actions'. Being able to strafe like that doesn't render you invulnerable, someone can still hit you. As well, you can't swing while moving, just like in any other direction.  

Posted by Rezon

I never said that there was no advantage to being able to strafe, I just said its pretty unnoticeable and nobody uses it. I also have no idea what that video is proving, you're just running around some noob.

Unless you have proof that no one uses it I wouldn't say that. I have seen people use it and it is an annoying advantage to have. The video is just showing that it look likes. It's not about the spar itself

Posted by Rezon

I also don't get what you mean by 'freezing your actions'. Being able to strafe like that doesn't render you invulnerable, someone can still hit you. As well, you can't swing while moving, just like in any other direction.

By "freezing my action" I was referring to holding the left and right key together to keep me in place. The strafing thing is a nice maneuver technique that can be used right before hitting someone and also a great way to fool to your opponent that you are coming his way.

EDIT: I just wanted to say what I had to say. I'm off to lunch now.  

Posted by Tyler

You can see where I run straight up vertically a couple times and freeze my actions. You are not able to do that on an iDevice.

You can do this on an iPhone by pressing either the right or down arrows, and you can freeze by not pressing anything or a brief period of time.

Do you mean that the gani is different, and that makes it unfair? Would you rather the "idle" gani be used in the event of two or more arrow keys being pressed? That would require the player to stop and continue moving over and over as it is very easy to press more than one key when you aren't thinking about it. On the bright side, an iPhone does not have this problem, as one cardinal direction cannot be pressed at the same time as another. Therefore, the player seamlessly changes direction and virtually covers more distance over a period of time than a PC player would.

In this case, techniques are different, as some things are possible on PC that aren't on iPhone, and some are possible on iPhone that aren't on PC. In my opinion, the general iPhone advantages tend to point towards offensive movement and evasion... But that's just my experience.  

I'm in class right now, but perhaps sometime tomorrow i'll create a video showing the fact that straffing doesn,'t give much of an advantage.  

Posted by Rezon

I'm in class right now, but perhaps sometime tomorrow i'll create a video showing the fact that straffing doesn,'t give much of an advantage.

Do as you wish. It won't prove anything to me though since some people use it better than others and in different methods. The fact of being able to do it is bad enough. I don't like getting in these debates because everyone already has their mind set and convincing them is very unlikely. The PC users will try to convince the iDevice players and vise verse. We're stuck with both devices on the server so might as well just make the most of it.  

*slowly fades into thread* Hey look, Ash got banned :0 *slowly fades back out with a bucket of popcorn*  

Posted by Winter

You can do this on an iPhone by pressing either the right or down arrows, and you can freeze by not pressing anything or a brief period of time.

Do you mean that the gani is different, and that makes it unfair? Would you rather the "idle" gani be used in the event of two or more arrow keys being pressed? That would require the player to stop and continue moving over and over as it is very easy to press more than one key when you aren't thinking about it. On the bright side, an iPhone does not have this problem, as one cardinal direction cannot be pressed at the same time as another. Therefore, the player seamlessly changes direction and virtually covers more distance over a period of time than a PC player would.

In this case, techniques are different, as some things are possible on PC that aren't on iPhone, and some are possible on iPhone that aren't on PC. In my opinion, the general iPhone advantages tend to point towards offensive movement and evasion... But that's just my experience.

Mmm... Sorry I really didn't understand this. I don't even know the definition of the gani as stupid as that sounds. Anyways though, my above statement partly applies to this.  

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Posted by MrSimons

Maybe just maybe, PC players are better at sparring because most of them have been at it before iPhone servers even existed.

Why does your avatar remind me of mike Tyson?

Posted by David

holy crap you're really dumb

Whats worse being a dumb teenager or a grown ass man that lets another man treat him like his B***h? in a kids game lol?

Posted by Remorse

you're making us iDevice players look bad

I feel more ashamed when I see idevicers kissing pc ass

Posted by Thallen

What you're doing with your last statement is creating rules to the game that exist only in your mind. You didn't make the game. You don't make the rules. No one has to adhere to this fantasy land that you've conjured up in your mind where your opinion regulates what is and isn't fair in the game.

Anything the game allows is completely fair as long as it is consistent to all of the players. Every single player is allowed to access the game and spar by PC, and every single player is allowed to access the game and spar by iDevice.

It would be unfair if the staff only allowed certain players to play by PC.
Anyway, you don't refuse to spar on PC out of the goodness of your heart and to make it "fair," you refuse to spar on PC because you suck at, it or you don't have a PC, or you just don't want to win. Those are the only three reasons. Just be serious.

iDevice players (or at least you) cry that PC players have an advantage, and PC players can counter that by saying that you are disadvantaged. Does it make more sense for me to cripple myself and be a worse player (by your theory), or does it make more sense for you to bring yourself up the competitive level and play on the device that you claim has the advantage?

So, I'll say it again: If you truly believe that the PC is an advantaged device, you can either:

1. Play by PC
2. Improve as an iDevice sparrer
3. Continue crying

Your choice does not affect me at all and I will continue winning because I am a smarter and better player than you. I am raising my hands in victory right now at the thought of how much smarter and better I am than you. I feel like a superior human, far beyond your level of understanding, intelligence, and competitiveness. Defeating you in this conversation was as effortless as it'd be to defeat you in a spar. You are a terrible internet gaming peon who will never come close to me and I am disgusted that we even play the same game.

You constantly yap about not caring yet you still here arguing lol what happen to not arguing with idiots? Did we bring you down to our level and beat you senseless? Lol?

Posted by Rufus

As someone who has been active on both, I don't think there's any real debate that sparring on Facebook is easier than sparring on an iDevice. It just is, and the amount of people that switched from poor iDevice sparrers to somewhat average Facebook sparrers is a good example of this. People suddenly having an easier ride for not using iDevices has created an iDevice elitism. It is understandable, given that this version originated as an iPhone game and still consists of a 90% iPhone playerbase -- there's only ever 100~ Facebook players online.

Most of the pcrs arguing have allegiance to US so I don’t see the point of arguing when it appears that your leader agrees that it is easier using fb.

Posted by Rufus

Thallen is correct though, but I don't think most people are understanding it. If you hold this belief that Facebook is easier, and own a PC which most people do, then the only thing that is stopping you from using it is yourself. Your own pride, I guess. It is a platform that is open to everyone and it is an intended part of the game. Things like the leaderboards are divided up so that skill is not being measured between the platforms. I don't understand what the problem is, nor why arguments on technicalities are being attempted. You're not forced to spar each other and you're only limited to what devices you own and your attitudes towards them.

The game is not intended for people on iDevices alone anymore. I don't like it much either, and I am known for sparring on Facebook, but that's just how it is.

That’s a whole different argument from pc vs idevice.

Posted by Talon

I laughed way too hard at this.

Don’t you get tired of being a kiss ass?

Posted by Winter

You can do this on an iPhone by pressing either the right or down arrows, and you can freeze by not pressing anything or a brief period of time.

Do you mean that the gani is different, and that makes it unfair? Would you rather the "idle" gani be used in the event of two or more arrow keys being pressed? That would require the player to stop and continue moving over and over as it is very easy to press more than one key when you aren't thinking about it. On the bright side, an iPhone does not have this problem, as one cardinal direction cannot be pressed at the same time as another. Therefore, the player seamlessly changes direction and virtually covers more distance over a period of time than a PC player would.

In this case, techniques are different, as some things are possible on PC that aren't on iPhone, and some are possible on iPhone that aren't on PC. In my opinion, the general iPhone advantages tend to point towards offensive movement and evasion... But that's just my experience.

Posted by Winter

(in all seriousness, this battle has been fought over and over again.. best to drop it sooner, you won't get anywhere)

It’s too good to just walk away besides all those unregistered user noobs need a show.