Whoever is handling the PM's between players is doing a **** job at it. I had also been banned for swearing at another player through private messaging, whom I had blocked after arguing, so he continued the harassment from an alternate account and then reported me(which the staff had probably decided to overlook due to me swearing).

On a side note, I agree with some of the posts mentioning how the arena shouldn't be moderated 24/7. I've been recently sparring from time to time, and have probably only encountered a hacker once + there was barely anyone that was excessively lagging during the times I had sparred lol.  

Posted by LiA

Whoever is handling the PM's between players is doing a **** job at it. I had also been banned for swearing at another player through private messaging, whom I had blocked after arguing, so he continued the harassment from an alternate account and then reported me(which the staff had probably decided to overlook due to me swearing).

Wait, are you expecting staff to do some sort of extensive background history check on every single report? They looked at your PMs and saw you were swearing at someone else who had reported you, and then dealt with it accordingly. Do you expect them to just know that the person you're swearing at had an alternate account, and that you had blocked that entirely different account?

Don't break the rules, even if someone else does it.  

Posted by LiA

On a side note, I agree with some of the posts mentioning how the arena shouldn't be moderated 24/7. I've been recently sparring from time to time, and have probably only encountered a hacker once

Because you never spar?  

Posted by LiA

Whoever is handling the PM's between players is doing a **** job at it. I had also been banned for swearing at another player through private messaging, whom I had blocked after arguing, so he continued the harassment from an alternate account and then reported me(which the staff had probably decided to overlook due to me swearing).

On a side note, I agree with some of the posts mentioning how the arena shouldn't be moderated 24/7. I've been recently sparring from time to time, and have probably only encountered a hacker once + there was barely anyone that was excessively lagging during the times I had sparred lol.

You see, when one player starts a problem and seeks to start one and the other player says "YAH LETS ARGUE ABOUT IT", theyre both in the wrong and since the other player you blocked went to an alternate account and you stayed on yours and proceeded to swear, well... that player believe it or not gets banned!

Also there are tons of hackers in the mornings afternoons and night. Just when your not on, or not sparring. They also show up more in the mixed room. The rooms shouldnt and should be moderated.  

Posted by Dusty

Wait, are you expecting staff to do some sort of extensive background history check on every single report?

I'm pretty good at not breaking rules lmfao. I was just giving my input on the ongoing debate. I already knew they don't go in-depth on reports since that's Toonslab's job.

@Livid - I never replied to the alternate account since I tried being the bigger person. I had also been getting random harassment messages from this player for months so I usually never reply to him, so it was the first time I actually did reply, and slipped a few words.  

Posted by Albie

Before I fully understood the spar mechanics I'd often think those who were using them properly were hacking. It took me a long time of active sparring to change my views on this.

I'm actually glad you're being really constructive about this.

Well, I mean AFAIK you're kinda new to the game so there's a lot you're not going to understand. But something they look for in hiring GPs is experience. (Although I'm not going to lie, I do question a few of the recent hirings. But It's not my place to do so)

Either way, when hiring a GP and allowing them to moderate a specific part of the game, it should be expected that they are trained in fully understanding how the mechanics work, and what to look out for. If this isn't happening, then I think we have an entirely different problem.

Although I totally agree that a seasoned sparrer is going to be better at calling out these things, you can't deny that a lot of sparrers have a really poor attitude. I don't blame anyone for not trusting them with authority. Because being a GP requires you to give prompt, and full answers to any genuine question you get with as grammar as perfect to your cabalility. And yes, some sparrers like Fulgore are very capable of doing this, I don't want to call out any names on specific sparrers.

Personally I never remember perceiving any mechanics it as hacking. I don't exactly remember if there was a time I realized there was blink, but I remember it as far back as when I started playing. Just recently I learned the techniques to keep my blink up as long as possible, thanks to Thallen.

Posted by Albie

A lot of gps don't actively spar and could perceive sparrers using mechanics to their advantage as hacking, when I didn't know much about it I did the exact same thing.

This is why I bring up GPs needing to be trained and experienced in situations like this.

Posted by Albie

All these people such as red, bryan and kuz are trying to say is that some admins don't understand the game as they don't really explore that aspect of it, and should leave the moderating of that part to those more experienced.

Y'know, I've been playing this game for over 6 years now, and I still consider myself poor at spar. I don't believe that has anything to do with mechanics.

I've always been bad at games that require split second decisions. I remember my friends used to make me play that one life defuse game in Modern Warfare 2. I was almost ALWAYS the first to go. I'm pretty sure they liked me playing with them because of how **** I was at making split second decisions. I eventually just used the RPG since I can try to take them out with me.

Although I want to clarify that I'm not saying every GP or every player understands spar. I'm trying to say that being bad at spar does not mean they don't understand it.

Maybe it's possible I could get better at learning what to do in a spar, but it's just not something I want to invest more time into. And yes, I already have invested time into it. I've done more than 1000 spars (not including guild spars) which yeah, is kinda small for 6 years (although I've been on and off a lot) it's still enough to learn the difference between hacking and techniques.  

Posted by Albie

A lot of gps don't actively spar and could perceive sparrers using mechanics to their advantage as hacking, when I didn't know much about it I did the exact same thing.
All these people such as red, bryan and kuz are trying to say is that some admins don't understand the game as they don't really explore that aspect of it, and should leave the moderating of that part to those more experienced.

See, and if they said it that way maybe they would be understood. Instead, it's

Posted by ReD s.

Don't no why any other admin besides fulgore is patrolling the arena most of them are zanza members who have never actually PLAYED graal.

Which is rude and not at all constructive, nor does it make sense. I was in Zanza, so I've never played Graal? I won't go into detail on how wrong this is, because I doubt I need to. (There are only 3 members from Zanza on the staff team anyway, anyone else who is in Zanza now is really only a part because they were friends and joining each other's guilds.)

Albie, I appreciate you being cool-headed about the situation. Not all admins are experienced sparrers, no. Speaking for myself, I put a good amount of time into pking, towering and such back when I enjoyed it. My team won fourth or fifth in an early GST. Sure, it may not look like I have much time into it (I have like 17k kills, which doesn't seem like much anymore) but I did it all at a time when there were less players around to kill and such so I think it's pretty excusable. Have I put as much time into these activities as others? No. But that doesn't mean I don't understand when someone is lagging or cheating. It's fairly obvious 99% of the time, and if it isn't beyond a reasonable doubt, I'll leave it alone.  

A GP told me that they have tools to determine if a player is exceeding their speed and/or lag. Do you folks take into account where the player is located? Also do you base your decision on the (number of reports the player has accumulated or observations meaning just by looking at the player)?  

Posted by Bryan*

A GP told me that they have tools to determine if a player is exceeding their speed and/or lag. Do you folks take into account where the player is located? Also do you base your decision on the (number of reports the player has accumulated or observations meaning just by looking at the player)?

There's also a number to tell how high the average change in ping is, which shouldn't be too high unless you're force lagging yourself, or you're dropping packets.

Graal is the only game I think of where you have an advantage with 1000ms, so I don't really see it as unfair to cut them off from spar tbh. Although I do understand that a decent connection to the Graal servers (and a decent connection at all) is something rare to get.  

Spar monitors 2k16  

Posted by Count

Wow, so you have to have 10k spar wins to actually be a graal player? you're so full of yourself it disgusts me.

I wonder why you aren't being hired when you constantly berate staff members on the forums?? Maybe because it shows how much of an asshole you are? food for thought to everyone who has nothing to say but how awful it is they aren't staff and how awful the staff team with no actual basing other than "lol they play the game they want to, they don't actually count as people, let me throw in some guilds that only like 4 of the staff members were actually in"

zanza has been dead for ages. most of the staff members in it now are just friends who became friends after they became staff. Wow, isn't it weird that they are in the same guild??

If you can't put two and two together, no, it isn't.

edit: I've put more thought into your post and realized a few things. I'm glad you think that staff members aren't the same as you. It would be a catastrophe if they were.



You can't seriously be this blind, can you? Do you not see all the people in Graal City asking for 13 year olds to trade nudes with and ****? "rp ;) girls only" has no place on a kids game, or really any game that isn't made specifically for it. There are places for that, and, wow, big surprise, it isn't Graal. Try one of those stupid roleplay apps or forums or whatever they are, I know they exist, I don't care to find them. take it to kik or something even, if you do that on a game rated 4+ or 8+ or whatever unixmad decided it was this month, you deserve to be banned for being that stupid.

And maybe, just maybe, they were reported? Think about it. How else would a GP just happen to find this particular player who was doing inappropriate things in PM out of the 4,000 that are online?

ffs



it's no wonder that so many of the competent staff quit, I don't know how they put up with this bull****.

Not once did I say you needed 10000 spar wins to moderate the arena, otherwise fulgore wouldn't have been hired right? Don't jump to conclusions I don't wish to be a gp because I have no time to fulfill that sort of jobs requirements.

You should actually read the posts before you find one you think is right to quote and rant on.

it's no wonder that so many of the competent staff quit, I don't know how they put up with this bull****.

You tell me off for "abusing" these gps then you say this lol  

Posted by ReD s.

Not once did I say you needed 10000 spar wins to moderate the arena, otherwise fulgore wouldn't have been hired right? Don't jump to conclusions I don't wish to be a gp because I have no time to fulfill that sort of jobs requirements.

You should actually read the posts before you find one you think is right to quote and rant on.



You tell me off for "abusing" these gps then you say this lol

No, I said that "you need 10,000 spar wins to be a graal player" because you said nobody in zanza (by which, I assume you mean socializers) have never played the game.

Seems that you misunderstand the second part, I'm not implying the staff are incompetent, just saying that I understand why so many of them have quit in the past that were competent.

Can you explain the link between not needing 10,000 spar wins to moderate the arena and fulgore being hired? Are you hiring people?

For the record, the word "abusing" makes no appearance in my post, yet you quoted it. Maybe you should read the post?

I'm honored that out of all the posts, you chose to respond to mine, o supreme og  

Posted by Dusty

Wait, are you expecting staff to do some sort of extensive background history check on every single report? They looked at your PMs and saw you were swearing at someone else who had reported you, and then dealt with it accordingly. Do you expect them to just know that the person you're swearing at had an alternate account, and that you had blocked that entirely different account?

Don't break the rules, even if someone else does it.

What if you are reported by a player , but you are banned for the content in a message sent to another player who didn't report you , in a consented conversation? Admins shouldn't be able to ban for a message to a player unless the recipient reported them , I received a 3 month ban for this. No idea who actually reported me or what for lol  

Well if you trying to have a conversation without GP's all up into your business, use different social networks (Kik, Facebook, Skype, etc). In a way it's both bad and good. Both a safety precaution but you also can't deny that a GP will now know your personal life.  

Yup, I now know everyone's phone number, address, favorite food, where they work/go to school, how tall they are, their grandmother's phone number, and so much more.