Posted by GOAT

Cool story bro? lol knob?
If you spent more time developing zone instead of arguing in the classic forums you might help your server get a higher player count. Last time I checked staff outnumbered the players. :/

Shut up knob and remember you’re the fat kid on the baseball team.

lol'd  

Posted by MrSimons

She doesn't need to, everything she's said is already right, give up kid.

Says who? Do you even have any experience on the topic? The argument is if delay=advantage which I already proved it does. My last point has yet to be beaten baka. Requoting yourself and not addressing my point means you lose, not to mention the kid pming me out of rage.  

These threads always manage to stray off topic  

Posted by GotenGraal

Says who? Do you even have any experience on the topic? The argument is if delay=advantage which I already proved it does. My last point has yet to be beaten baka. Requoting yourself and not addressing my point means you lose, not to mention the kid pming me out of rage.

lol

+rep for being an idiot  

me.  

i lol-ed when Goten said you called him an idiot though a private message.  

omg yes i did it  

talon wtf i was trying to get all the posts  

Posted by *Vatec

omg yes i did it

not today.  

2late i alrdy got a screenie hahahaha

on topic: I PMed Goten in the hope he would actually read what I was saying.  

Posted by *Vatec

omg yes i did it

You learned how to tie your shoes?

Posted by *Vatec

2late i alrdy got a screenie hahahaha

on topic: I PMed Goten in the hope he would actually read what I was saying.

Yeah right when I click User CP it already shows your message without me touching it so I had no choice, other wise I would of deleted it instantly.

Posted by Aaron - Taevin

Please...stop

And if we're still talking about delay...I know for a fact not all delayers can see the other player lagging/warping/delaying as well.

Imma be like Rezon and requote a bunch of stuff.

Posted by *Vatec

It's actually HARDER for us to spar/PK

Hey Rezon your boy here mentioned pk too on page 2 and I mentioned it like 3 times so it's a part of this off topic argument.

Posted by GotenGraal

Yeah no go to sardon and wait for 7mood to pk then tell me delay isn't an advantage. I'm not only talking about sparring. Is it okay that delayers can run through sword spam unhittable, lag block for 5 mins, and hit flag 20 times till a hit on them is finally recognized?

Shut that down^  

i miss neg rep for useless flame wars  

Posted by LiA

Well, okay 0:. I guess we're all delayers then. Well can anyone explain the showlag/ms then? How come laggers/delayers are usually at 300+ ms while we're all under 100?

There's a difference in number for a reason. If it was mutual I'd be able to do all the things at towers I mentioned delayers doing.  

Posted by GotenGraal

There's a difference in number for a reason. If it was mutual I'd be able to do all the things at towers I mentioned delayers doing.

Have you ever heard of foreign lag? the lag of europeans won't get under 100ms ever.  

Posted by Rezon

Let me explain this "hes going through my swords" dilemma once more. First, lets start off by saying Player A has 300ms, while player B has 50.


Player A is wall sparring, he is sending out swings randomly (since you're probably warping on his screen too) and he isn't hitting anything on HIS SCREEN. Player B is frantically trying to hit him too, running towards him but seemingly getting hit every time he charges in. Once he gets close enough, he swings, but player A walks right through it. Why is this?

When player A swings, since he is at 300 ms, the server receives this data significantly late, then regurgitates it back at player B. If player B gets hit by the sword hit, player A did NOT just swing in real time, in fact that was probably 1-2 seconds ago. If player A seemingly swings at player B and it goes right through him, that's because player B receives the data far too late and his character is most likely far away from that spot. Also, player A may be swinging directly at player B, but because of his delay, none of the hits register in real time, similar to the other case.

Solution: You learn to adjust to their delay, and predict a few seconds ahead on where they're going to move. Its quite easy to predict where someone is going to go when they have that much delay, they won't be able to see where you're striking, vice versa. Both parties have disadvantages, however the delayer might have a slight advantage because Player B might be more focused on crying and complaining, rather than adjusting.

This is an extreme case, as many delayers don't do this intentionally, rather live far away from the servers. The largest ping gap I can think of would be someone at ~200.

tl;dr You're getting hit not because of the delayers lag, but because the serer is regurgitating it too late. You are not missing the delayer, rather the server is.

P.S.Delayers may survive until the end of a guildspar because most have to react to their lag by playing a more passive strategy of spar, allowing them to surivive longer.

@Goten