Over the past 3 or 4 days I have been trying out different colours on one of my bodies and whenever I try to upload it there seems to be a 50% chance that it will get approved even though it follows the upload guidelines. It's just a simple black body with a cape and hood on it, which has been accepted for me countless times in the past. Every time I try to upload one and it gets disapproved I make sure to read through to check if anything has changed and always see the same list which doesn't say anything about hoods.

Posted by Jarace

Things we do not allow:

• Heads with shoulder pads
• Heads with bows that aren't made of hair
• Heads with accessories covering the mouth/neck area, like scarves and bandanas.
• Bodies with visible shoulder pads
• Bodies with backpacks
• Bodies with sword/gun accessories
• Bodies with wings
• Bodies with scarves
• Shields that are scarves

I get that some staff are new and probably don't know the upload rules perfectly but when you have to possibly wait days for something to finally get approved only to notice that there's a small error or the colours aren't perfect it gets a little frustrating.  

Can you post the body in question here? Also what was the denial reason?  

Posted by regas

Can you post the body in question here? Also what was the denial reason?

Denial reason was for having an accessory/full face mask. This is what the body looks like:


But since posting this it has gotten accepted so that's cool.  

Posted by Green

Denial reason was for having an accessory/full face mask. This is what the body looks like:


But since posting this it has gotten accepted so that's cool.

The hood on the body would be considered an accessory as it is very similar to accessories already in the game.

For example:
 

Posted by regas

The hood on the body would be considered an accessory as it is very similar to accessories already in the game.

For example:

I can't remember who but I've spoken to someone about it before when I first made it and I was told to make a few tweaks for it to be ok, which I did. I've been using this type of body for over a year now with no issues.

Also i'm curious now, what about bodies with belts similar to this. Do those count as accessories too?
 

Posted by Green

I can't remember who but I've spoken to someone about it before when I first made it and I was told to make a few tweaks for it to be ok, which I did. I've been using this type of body for over a year now with no issues.

Also i'm curious now, what about bodies with belts similar to this. Do those count as accessories too?

Bandoliers and such are fine.  

Posted by regas

Bandoliers and such are fine.

I'm not talking about bandoliers, but those belts and either way where's the sense in that? Why is one thing allowed while another isn't?

Also I remember a little bit now. When I was staff and originally made the body I was asked to edit it because it looked too much like one of the accessories, so I did and it got the clear. That means it should be ok, right? If it wasn't then why did it get approved back then without complaint?  

Posted by Green

I'm not talking about bandoliers, but those belts and either way where's the sense in that? Why is one thing allowed while another isn't?

Also I remember a little bit now. When I was staff and originally made the body I was asked to edit it because it looked too much like one of the accessories, so I did and it got the clear. That means it should be ok, right? If it wasn't then why did it get approved back then without complaint?

The main difference between the two is the fact that there are already plenty of hoodie/cape accessories in the game already. That isn't the case with the belt/ bandolier.

I don't know why the body was fine before when you were staff. I'm just going by what I know right now.  

Posted by Green

I'm not talking about bandoliers, but those belts and either way where's the sense in that? Why is one thing allowed while another isn't?

Also I remember a little bit now. When I was staff and originally made the body I was asked to edit it because it looked too much like one of the accessories, so I did and it got the clear. That means it should be ok, right? If it wasn't then why did it get approved back then without complaint?

You know why, he knows why. We all know why. One word : time.
Time has changed and the staff we have now isnt the same. Even Graal itself isnt the same, all is about gralats now ect.. and about uploads, body rules ect.. you can just check all of the Graal Depot website.
"Why most of the head aren't allowed anymore ?" Because they look like hat or something like this. They want players to buy accesories or hat lol.

And about staff, i know they're here to make sure everyone apply the rules. But most of them dont really care like some of the good players do. This isnt the right place to say this, and you'll maybe think im complaining but : Graal has no communication between players and staff. )They'r trying with some youtube "guide", i know cool), but thats not the thing players want.

Short answer : "Why is one thing allowed while another isn't", could be because admin have differents opinion about the thing, or maybe they just dont give a .
Alright do it, censure me guys. I know you really want to do it.  

Posted by Perception.

You know why, he knows why. We all know why. One word : time.
Time has changed and the staff we have now isnt the same. Even Graal itself isnt the same, all is about gralats now ect.. and about uploads, body rules ect.. you can just check all of the Graal Depot website.

Why most of the head aren't allowed anymore ?" Because they look like hat or something like this. They want players to buy accesories or hat lol.

The people who wrote the upload rules were volunteers (they were updated after the addition of accessories). The people who approve and deny uploads are volunteers. It doesn't matter to us if you buy gralats or spend gralats.

Posted by Perception.

And about staff, i know they're here to make sure everyone apply the rules. But most of them dont really care like some of the good players do. This isnt the right place to say this, and you'll maybe think im complaining but : Graal has no communication between players and staff. )They'r trying with some youtube "guide", i know cool), but thats not the thing players want.

This entire thread is one example of the many forms of communication between staff and players. Regas is staff. I'm staff. You are objectively wrong that there is no communication between staff and players. You can pm a staff member in-game and expect a response if they aren't busy working/hosting/or offline. I can't think of a single other game like this. Even now, I'm replying to your post on the forums, where I don't think any other game has staff that would give you the time of day.

I don't know where you're going with the "youtube guide" thing. It may not be what you want, but it is clear in the comments that plenty of people enjoy the videos. If you don't like them, don't watch them. Don't say it isn't what the players want just because it isn't what you want.

I'm guessing what you want that you think is in conflict with the youtube stuff is probably not something the person who makes youtube videos would be doing anyway. Not every staff member does development, so time spent on the youtube videos doesn't take away time from development.

Posted by Perception.

Short answer : "Why is one thing allowed while another isn't", could be because admin have differents opinion about the thing, or maybe they just dont give a .
Alright do it, censure me guys. I know you really want to do it.

lol  

Posted by regas

The main difference between the two is the fact that there are already plenty of hoodie/cape accessories in the game already. That isn't the case with the belt/ bandolier.

I don't know why the body was fine before when you were staff. I'm just going by what I know right now.

Thanks for the responses. Naturally after using bodies like this for over a year without issue I'm pretty annoyed with hearing this and I still see people with different types of bodies, like this which seems to be fine even though in my opinion some of them include more.

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Also you said that there are already plenty of cape/hoodie accessories in the game.
Sure if that was the issue then I don't see why normal cape bodies are still acceptable. There are countless cape accessories now so going by that, they shouldn't be allowed anymore too. Also I could be wrong but I only recall seing 2 accessories which resemble hoodies. One which was originally a hat but got turned into an accessory after I had been using my body for almost a year, and the second one is what you rarely see staff using which I don't think has ever been released.

Again, I really find it weird how this is just suddenly a problem now after it not being an issue for over a year and having nothing in the game get changed for it to become one. But I guess if rules are rules and they change so there's nothing I can do about it besides editing the body until it's passable again.

This brings me to the next part, to make it allowed again what would I have to change about it?  

Posted by Green

Thanks for the responses. Naturally after using bodies like this for over a year without issue I'm pretty annoyed with hearing this and I still see people with different types of bodies, like this which seems to be fine even though in my opinion some of them include more.

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Also you said that there are already plenty of cape/hoodie accessories in the game.
Sure if that was the issue then I don't see why normal cape bodies are still acceptable. There are countless cape accessories now so going by that, they shouldn't be allowed anymore too. Also I could be wrong but I only recall seing 2 accessories which resemble hoodies. One which was originally a hat but got turned into an accessory after I had been using my body for almost a year, and the second one is what you rarely see staff using which I don't think has ever been released.

Again, I really find it weird how this is just suddenly a problem now after it not being an issue for over a year and having nothing in the game get changed for it to become one. But I guess if rules are rules and they change so there's nothing I can do about it besides editing the body until it's passable again.

This brings me to the next part, to make it allowed again what would I have to change about it?

I'm not sure what can be modified to your body to make it passable, I'd ask a gfx person to help in the regard. I will say the main issue that I see with the body is mainly the hoodie part. Capes are generally acceptable, but how the hoodie seems to cover the back, front and side angles makes it look like an accessory to me.

Another thing is integration with the entire design of the body. To me it looks like the hoodie / cape is almost a separate asset pasted onto the default body. I don't have the file on me right now, but a pretty good example would be that cat body with the hoodie. Everything is integrated into the design pretty well on that one. I hope that all makes sense.  

Posted by regas

I'm not sure what can be modified to your body to make it passable, I'd ask a gfx person to help in the regard. I will say the main issue that I see with the body is mainly the hoodie part. Capes are generally acceptable, but how the hoodie seems to cover the back, front and side angles makes it look like an accessory to me.

I don't really think it looks like an accessory. This is how it looks with a head.


In my eyes it just looks like a normal body because of how the layering works. I'd get it if the hood part rendered above the head like hats but no, it's mostly covered, especially on the side and back views. Going back to something I said in a previous post. I'm still confused as to why it only affects a couple of things and not all of them. There are bodies with tails or bow ties even though there are more tail and bow tie accessories than hoods yet those are still everywhere on custom bodies.

Posted by regas

Another thing is integration with the entire design of the body. To me it looks like the hoodie / cape is almost a separate asset pasted onto the default body. I don't have the file on me right now, but a pretty good example would be that cat body with the hoodie. Everything is integrated into the design pretty well on that one. I hope that all makes sense.

That's kind of what i wanted for a body though, I originally edited one of the current ingame bodies to include a cape and kept adding things from there (which countless other players have also done). That shaded body in the picture is just an edit a friend made of my original version, which is an indexed version with no shading and is the one I've been using for a year and a half now. This is what it looks like.


I also don't understand what you mean about the cat body. I know which body you're talking about but that looks more like a copy/paste job to me becuse that's literally what it is.



All they did was copy/paste something that already existed, which is exactly how I made my body. I guess the side view blends well into the body on both of those examples I show in the gif but that's the only real thing I see which stands out from mine but that's because I wasn't trying to make a body in that style.

I'd also like to point out the fact that they don't even have all of the frames done properly.


They also have issues in the running frames.


If I was going for your average hooded body I would've gone about it differently or just looked for one of the few other ones there already are. What I was going for is more of a cloak like this and I feel like I made it as best and as accurate as I could.

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If it feels like I'm coming off as rude to you or anything that's not what I'm trying to act like so sorry if that's the case. I'm just feeling like this is unfair because the body I spent hours on (since I'm not experienced at all with pixel art) is getting the thumbs down now out of nowhere even though I made the changes I was originally told to make for it to be acceptable. If I can get what needs to be changed cleared up then I'll give that a go but I've got a feeling that it'll turn into a completely different body which won't be what I want. I mean, I'll definitely try but if I can continue to use what I've already been using for so long now I would be really happy.  

Posted by Green

I don't really think it looks like an accessory. This is how it looks with a head.

After some additional discussion it has been decided that your hoodie will be allowed.

The reason it passed by for a year without any issues is most likely because you resubmitted it recently while testing with the colors. You even noted that it was a problem originally and you had to make some changes to make it acceptable - so when you were making some modifications to the colors and stuff it got attention again because the hood part looks so similar to an accessory that was sold.  

Posted by Jarace

After some additional discussion it has been decided that your hoodie will be allowed.

The reason it passed by for a year without any issues is most likely because you resubmitted it recently while testing with the colors. You even noted that it was a problem originally and you had to make some changes to make it acceptable - so when you were making some modifications to the colors and stuff it got attention again because the hood part looks so similar to an accessory that was sold.

Thanks!