Posted by G Fatal

Spar isn't skill when 9/10 of them delay or lag.
Tiers play there own tier? (if so that will make it more inactive) tiers play other tiers? would ruin point of the tiers and would still not measure skill accurately.

I'm a delayer...so I know sparring with a delay also takes effort nd sometimes..probably more.  

Posted by Hikaru

I'm not even attacking you, it was in general... I said you, but meant anyone... don't be so sensitive man.

I look at the votes and it's mostly just alumni republicans not wanting any bills to pass. While the democratic party is trying to please the public.

I go on political rants please don't make that incorrect analogy or I may explode. And there are more people on the thread who would prefer others as well, not just us. Generalizations aren't usually good in proving a case.

Either way, opinions of everyone should be treated the same. Just because there might be some Alumni representation on the thread against the idea doesn't mean we're willfully trying to stop it. We're just stating reasons why we dislike it.  

Posted by Hikaru

I'm not even attacking you, it was in general... I said you, but meant anyone... don't be so sensitive man.

I look at the votes and it's mostly just alumni republicans not wanting any bills to pass. While the democratic party is trying to please the public.

Hikaru,it's time you stop posting on this thread.Your idea is the best suggestion that we could have right now for sparring.But you see,these people here don't want to be serious or want to even support anything or anyone trying to improve **** that they always whine about.You did you job...now go do whatever you do when you didn't started wasting your time on this thread.Cheers mate <3  

Posted by Fulgore

I go on political rants please don't make that analogy or I may explode. And there are more people on the thread who would prefer others as well, not just us. Generalizations aren't usually good in proving a case.

Any more ideas? Don't choose for others, your statement should only count for yourself. Please contribute to the thread, thank you

All I'm saying is that I see half the votes for option 5 from alumni/friends of members. Just pointing it out, it's kind of like the whole "vote what your buddy voted" sort of thing. I have asked some of the voters for the other options, and most agreed that #4 is great, but probably lacking amount of sparrers, and dedication from devs.

Lacking sparrers: Player-matches fixed that, plus I think there are enough sparrers for lots of daily ranked matches. Adding prizes fixes amount in ranked matches either way. Don't want to spar? Then I'll take the prizes by myself, I'm sure someone else will happily take your spot on ladder.

Dedication from devs: Up to them, I saw rufus on earlier adding some cool stuff like the queue countdown, and I think gs streak count? Either way, the staff seem interested in helping out. That's all that matters. Doesn't have to be my idea. If anyone has better ideas, then by all means post it.

Posted by MBK

Hikaru,it's time you stop posting on this thread.Your idea is the best suggestion that we could have right now for sparring.But you see,these people here don't want to be serious or want to even support anything or anyone trying to improve **** that they always whine about.You did you job...now go do whatever you do when you didn't started wasting your time on this thread.Cheers mate <3

Haha, I can't man. I haven't slept for more than 28 hours. Stayed up too late yesterday, and now I have to wait for night time again.

I want to keep posting to at least add one of the things mentioned and answer questions, because I am bored of sparring, and only want to fight good people + instantly, and have a real ranking system.

This ranking system could even qualify as a means to finally have a UTC in iclassic. Think about how much fun that could be.  

Posted by GOAT

So pretty much the best ranked bronze player would be below every sparer from the top tiers. Seems to me that this ranking system goes back to the original problem comet mentioned about needing to constantly spar to be on the board.

Posted by Hikaru

I don't think the problem was constantly sparring to be on board, I believe it was "anyone can spar a lot, and be high on the board". A tier system would require skill, and you can't camp at the top.

Posted by Hikaru

The words you put about comyts quote in bold is basically what my quote was saying. "You have to spar a lot to stay at the top". I fixed that already, by putting prizes as the following and having to spar skilled players to stay at the top/get demoted:

ok man sure

Posted by Hikaru

Godlike: #1. Belt and hat ticket. #2. Chooses a hat (made by gfx) #3. Receives only hat left. (resets every season/3 months)

oh my

Posted by Hikaru

Yes, I feel like people started to become disoriented when I started talking about the potential points system.

Not sure if it's too hard to multiply the following based on tiers for some, but I'll do it for you so no worries.

Let's say you are in silver okay, following me?

You have 3 hearts remaining after you win, so that x 5 = 15 points

2.5 hearts x 5 = class? anyone? "ooo, ooo, i know, i know". "Yes pacboy?" "12.5 points?". "Very good pac, 10 gold stars for you"

2.0 x 5 = 10

1.5 x 5 = 7.5

1.0 x 5 = 5

0.5 x 5 = 2.5

More advanced mathmeticinalimicalness equations (based on lower/higher tiers)

WARNING not for the feint of heart or easily cringe-able.

Tier/league Higher than you replace, 5 with 10. Tier/league lower, replace 5 with 2.5

So if I beat Comet the #1 ranked legendary player by .5 I would get the same amount of points as if I would beat Fulgore the #100 ranked legendary player by .5? If so, how does that reflect skills with the points you receive?



Note/FYI: Miraculously a spar related thread managed to stay on-topic without any flamewars, so if you want it to stay like that I suggest you drop the smartassm attitude by trying to make it look as if people on this thread are stupid. Well MBK is, but he's just a cheerleader  

hey guys this is my first post and I hope this can be somewhat relevant to this thread

I think spar leaderboards should be taken out completely, and instead:

I think that in order to make sparring more meaningful we need to have single spar tournaments like GST. It shows who are the best based on how well they do and it creates more popularity and relevance to spar. and you don't have to basically no life the game in order to succeed, for example many skilled inactive sparrers who come back right at GST are still able to perform at a high quality.
This probably won't solve the consistency of sparring, but it will definitely lure in more players around the times they happen.

This isn't really a spar system but our end goal is to help the sparring community so I wanted to share this  

Posted by GOAT

So if I beat Comet the #1 ranked legendary player by .5 I would get the same amount of points as if I would beat Fulgore the #100 ranked legendary player by .5? If so, how does that reflect skills with the points you receive?

Honestly, it would all depend on how many sparrers there are. I'm pretty sure fulgore and comet are closely matched so yes, I believe you should get the same score. Unless fulgore was in diamond, then you would divide what you would get from comet by 2.

Posted by GOAT

Note/FYI: Miraculously a spar related thread managed to stay on-topic without any flamewars, so if you want it to stay like that I suggest you drop the smartassm attitude by trying to make it look as if people on this thread are stupid. Well MBK is, but he's just a cheerleader

Sorry, if I made you feel stupid. I am just lacking rest, and was impatient in having to keep repeating myself due to having a long op, after so many edits, and being mad that I couldn't sleep otherwise I would have the same problem again at night. Hopefully we can all come to an agreement, and at least learn to disagree by having real reasons, besides dev teams dedication, and or lack of sparrers (which there are enough based on the tier list which only put what I have seen)

Posted by Incognito

hey guys this is my first post and I hope this can be somewhat relevant to this thread

I think spar leaderboards should be taken out completely, and instead:

I think that in order to make sparring more meaningful we need to have single spar tournaments like GST. It shows who are the best based on how well they do and it creates more popularity and relevance to spar. and you don't have to basically no life the game in order to succeed, for example many skilled inactive sparrers who come back right at GST are still able to perform at a high quality.
This probably won't solve the consistency of sparring, but it will definitely lure in more players around the times they happen.

This isn't really a spar system but our end goal is to help the sparring community so I wanted to share this

Thank you for posting that. I have already thought about this before, but the problem is you need a ranking system to have a tournament. Otherwise, you won't have a good show to watch between the best of the best currently.

Taking it out would also give no purpose to spar. Pretty much just wasting time raising your wins, and the only thing that would matter is ratio (which can be fake by selective sparring).  

Posted by Darkk

Hikaru

Demote the following
Legendary: Sean, Contego, PK, T3ck

!!

Sean is one of the best sparrers of all time. You're uninformed.

Aguzo's Legendary tier should be split up into 3 further tiers.  

Posted by rickclops

Sean is one of the best sparrers of all time. You're uninformed.

Aguzo's Legendary tier should be split up into 3 further tiers.

No that's enough tiers, people who maxed at legendary can just get extra points or some  

Posted by Hikaru

Thank you for posting that. I have already thought about this before, but the problem is you need a ranking system to have a tournament. Otherwise, you won't have a good show to watch between the best of the best currently.

Taking it out would also give no purpose to spar. Pretty much just wasting time raising your wins, and the only thing that would matter is ratio (which can be fake by selective sparring).

oops, ya I forgot about that. Couldn't the same system in gs scores where bigger scores give more points while lower scores give less be implemented? Sadly it won't get rid of selective sparring and boosting however....but in the tourney it will prove that their record was truly meaningless when they fail first round

A tourney + system#4 is a graal players dream, but this sounds like a nightmare for staff to manage  

Posted by Zetectic

No that's enough tiers, people who maxed at legendary can just get extra points or some

All the people in legendary tier are very good, but not in the same league as each other.

Brett would defeat Comyt 10-0 or 9-1 consistently in series.

On another note, an invite only sparring league would be fun.  

Posted by rickclops

All the people in legendary tier are very good, but not in the same league as each other.

Brett would defeat Comyt 10-0 or 9-1 consistently in series.

On another not, an invite only sparring league would be fun.

Good idea,but not with our community...we already have the Alumni **** going on.  

Posted by Hikaru

Honestly, it would all depend on how many sparrers there are. I'm pretty sure fulgore and comet are closely matched so yes, I believe you should get the same score. Unless fulgore was in diamond, then you would divide what you would get from comet by 2.

I used those names for effect, but what I was trying to emphasize was a #1 ranking vs a #100 ranking in the upper tier(legendary). Also, "I'm pretty sure fulgore and comet are closely matched so yes, I believe you should get the same score" remember the reason you brought this idea was because you wanted a system that would rate a player based on skills. I don't want you to give me an answer on your opinion, but rather the system you're suggesting.

I will add another scenario: Brett is #1 legendary and Kuz, MBK, Fulgore, Ash, and Sardon are #96, 97, 98, 99, 100 in the legendary rankings. GOAT and Pacman are the tier below with the same points and tied in their ranking.

I happen to beat Brett 5 in a row by .5. Pacman beats the other 5 in order by .5. Does it make sense that I would get the same amount of points that pacman got? Skill would definitely not be measured accurately.


Hint: with the lower tiers it doesn't matter because the skill level between the #1 ranking and last # ranking from each tier won't be a big difference. The upper tier is different because it doesn't have a max, so the difference in skill within 2 legendary sparers can be comical.

Posted by Hikaru

Sorry, if I made you feel stupid.

lol nice, very sneaky how you through that insult there. No worries, you didn't.  

[QUOTE=rickclops;581104]All the people in legendary tier are very good, but not in the same league as each other.[QUOTE]

Yes, but the less tiers the more matches.

Posted by rickclops

On another not, an invite only sparring league would be fun.

Would be great, if people wouldn't abuse/spar their friends for points.
If that were implemented, it could be fixed by just adding a time-out restriction after you sparred that same person for 2-3 matches during a set period of time.

Clops fights Sean 2 times.

Server: "You are not allowed to request a match with this person for at least 23:59:01"

Posted by Zetectic

No that's enough tiers, people who maxed at legendary can just get extra points or some

After legendary it is God-Like, but only top 3 legendaries are placed in it, whilst still maintaining their legendary tier for match-making, but I believe you should lose more points while being in God-Like.

Posted by GOAT

I will add another scenario: Brett is #1 legendary and Kuz, MBK, Fulgore, Ash, and Sardon are #96, 97, 98, 99, 100 in the legendary rankings. GOAT and Pacman are the tier below with the same points and tied in their ranking.

I happen to beat Brett 5 in a row by .5. Pacman beats the other 5 in order by .5. Does it make sense that I would get the same amount of points that pacman got? Skill would definitely not be measured accurately.

If that were to happen, then that would be a huge coincidence and the server should still give you the same scores, but it also depends on who gets dropped down first, and getting matches with certain tiers does not always happen, same goes for lower tiers, unless your tier does not have enough players currently sparring.  

Would be great, if people wouldn't abuse/spar their friends for points.
If that were implemented, it could be fixed by just adding a time-out restriction after you sparred that same person for 2-3 matches during a set period of time.

I was thinking of a league run by players. I don't think it's likely staff would run something like this.