Graal the Adventure - 9

Thor · 03-29-2016

Posted by deadowl

http://www.graalians.com/forums/show...5&postcount=41

I would agree that there's a better case for this than any other quest project from pre-wipe in terms of having unique resources scripted.

My issue with this is that while it may have been an improvement on the Castle quest back in 2006, it doesn't really fit in with either the standard or style compared to what we've aimed for post 2009. Let's say we converted the GS1 and carried out all the necessary re-works, it would fall some way short of the type of quest I'd want for a Blue Graal temple for example. Though that probably isn't helped by there already being a couple of existing and planned quests which involve water/fluid elements.

Posted by deadowl

http://www.graalians.com/forums/show...3&postcount=42

What Skyzer said above, for many different reasons.

Posted by deadowl

Edit: Now that I think about it, there was also that awesome cavern maze to Kull's that maximus_asinus made.

Not to discredit Maximus, but I doubt a standalone quest is what he had in mind when tiling those caverns. The purpose of these caverns was to be a path to Kull's Castle, which is one of those many empty skeleton level sets I was referring to.

Posted by deadowl

Edit 2: Also, I believe Sardon's Tower had been rescripted with the sole exception of baddies.

Incorrect, Sardon's Tower was remade and released by myself in 2008 with no prior work being done to it. I'll hold my hands up and admit that it wasn't a very good idea or execution however, if I were to bring back Onett/Sylphia then I would also want to give Sardon's Tower an upheaval.

Posted by deadowl

I believe the first set of quests I wanted to release consisted of the Castle Quest, Gnome Caves, Kull's Castle, and Sardon's Tower.

What I said about Kull's applies to the Gnome Caves as well. There are also lots of other projects from before and after (Hell Raven) your tenure which never amounted to much more than an outline of a quest.

Kevin Azite · 03-29-2016

are these grievances really coming up in 2016

are you looking to list graalonline on your resume or something

Distorted_P2P · 03-29-2016

Posted by Kevin Azite

are these grievances really coming up in 2016

are you looking to list graalonline on your resume or something

people have actually done that before g

Thor · 03-29-2016

Posted by Kevin Azite

are these grievances really coming up in 2016

are you looking to list graalonline on your resume or something

Posted by Distorted_P2P

people have actually done that before g

An ex member of staff who has posted within this thread once asked me whether I'd be willing to provide a personal reference for their resume. I won't name who

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Distorted_P2P · 03-29-2016

Posted by Thor

An ex member of staff who has posted within this thread once asked me whether I'd be willing to provide a personal reference for their resume. I won't name who

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I remember way back when someone showed some hacking program they made for Graal to their professor.

Failed

Kevin Azite · 03-29-2016

Posted by Thor

An ex member of staff who has posted within this thread once asked me whether I'd be willing to provide a personal reference for their resume. I won't name who

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I did not you liar

Skyzer · 03-29-2016

Maybe he's talking about Luda.

Kevin Azite · 03-29-2016

what is massokre's end game here anyway

are you expecting to force thor into submission and he just relinquishes classic/gta and gives you control or something

even if you were going through the right avenues i doubt you have the political clout to accomplish anything

http://www.graalonline.com/guilds/vi...0&view=members

do you even know anyone on this list besides xor

I sure don't and I was communicating with the pwa daily for a ****ty stretch of lifespan as recently as 2-3 years or some **** ago?

deadowl · 03-29-2016

Kevin did some good things. He also did a lot of bad things. Meanwhile, I'm not going to judge someone in 2016 for being immature in 2006.

Thor has done an excellent job in quest building. I think he should push for Classic to be relisted again. At the same time, I'm disappointed a lot of what I and others worked on was left out, and I don't like seeing good content go to waste after having attempted to rebuild the server after the first wipe. I'm free to my opinion... as is Thor... and Kevin... and everyone else.

Kevin Azite · 03-29-2016

Posted by deadowl

Kevin did some good things. He also did a lot of bad things. Meanwhile, I'm not going to judge someone in 2016 for being a teenager in 2006.

???????

Skyzer · 03-29-2016

Damn son.

Kevin Azite · 03-29-2016

I'm baffled as to what that has to do w/ literally anything

the year is 2016, I've been separated from graal for ~3 years and it's beyond bizarre to see someone show up again 6-7+ years later and start demanding credit and whatever else from someone who has stuck with the project consistently

hasn't thor had control of the server for nearly as long as gta existed pre npc-server by now

deadowl · 03-29-2016

Posted by Thor

Not to discredit Maximus, but I doubt a standalone quest is what he had in mind when tiling those caverns. The purpose of these caverns was to be a path to Kull's Castle, which is one of those many empty skeleton level sets I was referring to.

I was stating that it was at least 30% of what I'd expect of the Kull's Quest.

Incorrect, Sardon's Tower was remade and released by myself in 2008 with no prior work being done to it. I'll hold my hands up and admit that it wasn't a very good idea or execution however, if I were to bring back Onett/Sylphia then I would also want to give Sardon's Tower an upheaval.

You are correct. Thought maybe I had corrected myself already, but either way you're right here.

What I said about Kull's applies to the Gnome Caves as well. There are also lots of other projects from before and after (Hell Raven) your tenure which never amounted to much more than an outline of a quest.

I've stated many times that the Gnome Caves seemed to be cursed, and they continue to be the most frustrating project failure I ever managed.

Posted by Kevin Azite

I'm baffled as to what that has to do w/ literally anything

the year is 2016, I've been separated from graal for ~3 years and it's beyond bizarre to see someone show up again 6-7+ years later and start demanding credit and whatever else from someone who has stuck with the project consistently

hasn't thor had control of the server for nearly as long as gta existed pre npc-server by now

Thor has done a great job in terms of quest building, especially with the limited resources available to do that. I'm not trying to deny that. I find it frustrating that I spent a significant amount of time and effort to have it painted as a marginal contribution.

Skyzer · 03-29-2016

Because it was marginal.

Kevin Azite · 03-29-2016

As recently as yesterday i've seen code I wrote with all references removed still in heavy use on UN but tbh I'm happier not being associated with it

Considering the evolving standards of GTA (devolving standards of UN) it seems naive to expect a large share of credit this far removed in time

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deadowl Registered User Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 783	Kevin did some good things. He also did a lot of bad things. Meanwhile, I'm not going to judge someone in 2016 for being immature in 2006. Thor has done an excellent job in quest building. I think he should push for Classic to be relisted again. At the same time, I'm disappointed a lot of what I and others worked on was left out, and I don't like seeing good content go to waste after having attempted to rebuild the server after the first wipe. I'm free to my opinion... as is Thor... and Kevin... and everyone else.