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http://www.mediaite.com/tv/terrorist...-saudi-arabia/ anyways, now 22 are dead. it's just sad |
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What I expect is that she not cancel her tour like a coward (already failed that one) and for her to keep her mouth shut from now on when it comes to political matters regarding keeping these people out of our (or any) country - either that, or when the inevitable occurs and it's confirmed that it was a radical Islamic terrorist, it'd be nice to see her condemn it and hold the ideology accountable |
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I would also like to point out that you view it very one-sided. What you think helps the situation is not what others might think helps it. For instance, you said she shouldn't criticize the political ideas to keep "these people" out of the country, but the criticism isn't of keeping terrorists out, rather the banning of everyone from certain areas (or of certain religious beliefs) in order to keep out a select few. In some people's view (yes, usually Liberals, just as Conservatives have the views of Thallen), the rhetoric from Trump to ban millions of innocent people because of their religion only helps ISIS and other terrorist groups because it potentially paints the picture for people of other countries that America hates Islam and that Islam needs to unite with the terrorist groups to fight the hate/oppression from America. But yea, props to President Trump for calling the bomber out as a "loser". We won't hold it against him that he said Islam hates us, along with.... http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...s-cycle-214420 Honestly it's sad that you're already criticizing Ariana Grande for a simple, sympathetic response to a tragedy that she was caught in the middle of herself. Have some respect. |
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Liberalism is the disease that's going to allow ISIS to become perpetually stronger. Had they instead targeted some right-wing entertainer who has spoken up in support of Trump or Brexit, it would empower liberal idiots even more and their embrace of this dangerous ideology would become even greater, that's the saddest part. We're in a downward spiral due to the position of Western media. They control the message that everyone sees, and their message is strongly in support of a culture that hates gays, oppresses women, and wishes death on apostates. This attack will literally change nothing except Ariana Grande's follower count on Twitter, because (as London mayor himself said) terrorism is now "part and parcel" of our way of life due to how embarrassingly ****ed we are. People like Grande are the loudest and (sadly) most influential in the face of opposing views, but the most cowardly and silent when it gets thrown in their face. They are losers. Why does this offend you? They're pathetic. They're the lowest and most pathetic forms of life out there, they're terrorists. Are you trying to imply that we should be afraid to say this about them? You want everyone to pretend they're nice so that they won't attack us. "Stop calling them names or they'll kill us!" Are you kidding right now? You seem like a huge apologist when it comes to this. Can you not even condemn Islam on the basis that they murder gays and harshly discriminate against women? Flat out, ISIS is evil and Islam itself is regressive. Neither of them are good, and I'd be quite happy with experiencing neither of them in the US. |
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Damn, you really inferred a lot from me just because I brought up Trump's response. Of course terrorists are the pathetic scum of the Earth. No one's pretending they're nice, not even Liberals. Again, the argument is lost when it just becomes partisain attacks. No one pretends they're nice or that we should be afraid to condemn them. The issue is with overgeneralizing the problem - which Trump didn't even do by the way.
This is the 'bad apples' problem that pisses me off with the overgeneralization of police. One police officer discriminates against blacks, and some people with very narrow viewpoints end up painting all police as racist. |
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Don't treat it as if I'm bothered that she apologized or by what she said, but there are a lot of additional things she could say but never will. She chose to try to influence millions of people not to vote for a candidate, but she won't try to influence people to come together and help fix the problem that caused these deaths at her show. The cost isn't trivial, it's clear - at the cost of Muslims from countries with certain threat levels being temporarily unable to enter our country.
There's not much left to say after that. Islam is dangerous and incompatible with the West. ISIS flourishes because it's so easy to manipulate an already-regressive religion and shape it into some murderous and hateful idealogy. You're telling me I shouldn't criticize someone's response to an Islamic terror attack for having no real substance, and I'm telling you that the same person voted against the obvious, short-term solution to fixing this problem that just got 20+ of her fans killed. |
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