Posted by Blueh

*facepalm* I understand it, I've researched it. My point is I don't believe it's true as MY personal belief, respect that. Gravity and electricity are true because those were proven, the big bang is just a theory. It hasn't been proved or inproved. Same as God, neither proved or inproved. There are evidences that back both up, but to to and say as "it's true" to either, is too far.

It's not a matter of belief. There is plenty of evidence that supports the big bang theory and very little reason to not accept it other than ignorance on the subject. The big bang is not "just" a theory, it's the leading theory attempting to explain the state of the Universe in its very early days.

There is no evidence supporting your god, and the difference between the two (big bang and the existence of a god) is that you can eventually prove/disprove the big bang theory while the existence of a supernatural being will never be proven or disproven.

Posted by Blueh

And how is the big bang being compared to a bomb a bad example? They both explode. That's like saying comparing a pot and pan is a bad example when the subject is cooking.

A logical person would simply respond with "and that's exactly how I know you're clueless" but I'll respond with: calling it a "big bang" and describing "explosions" are simply for convenience. The big bang wasn't an explosion in the same sense as a bomb, people only say that to make it easier to explain. The specific and most important point of the big bang theory is that the Universe started at a singularity and then rapidly expanded. Scientific evidence all supports this, as opposed to contradicting findings.

It's not like a bomb where the Universe was torn up and exploded all over the place, not at all, lol.  

Posted by Crono

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And to everyone saying "Well what created the singularity? What happened before it?:

Do we need a God to set it all up so a Big Bang can bang? … Our everyday experience makes us convinced that everything that happens must be caused by something that occurred earlier in time. So it’s natural for us to assume that something—perhaps God—must have caused the universe to come into existence. But when we’re talking about the universe as a whole, that isn’t necessarily so.
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The role played by time at the beginning of the universe is, I believe, the final key to removing the need for a Grand Designer, and revealing how the universe created itself. … Time itself must come to a stop [at the singularity]. You can’t get to a time before the big bang, because there was no time before the big bang. We have finally found something that does not have a cause because there was no time for a cause to exist in. For me this means there is no possibility of a creator because there is no time for a creator to have existed. Since time itself began at the moment of the Big Bang, it was an event that could not have been caused or created by anyone or anything. … So when people ask me if a god created the universe, I tell them the question itself makes no sense. Time didn’t exist before the Big Bang, so there is no time for God to make the universe in. It’s like asking for directions to the edge of the Earth. The Earth is a sphere. It does not have an edge, so looking for it is a futile exercise.

~Stefan hawking

Posted by Blueh

*facepalm* I understand it, I've researched it. My point is I don't believe it's true as MY personal belief, respect that.

Well if you say you have researched these theories then you should have.... well... actually researched them in depth besides stating some false assumptions. "Pale blue dot" by carl sagan is a good read, try that out.  

There are evidences backing up the belief of God, perhaps you've just never looked into them. There are also evidences backing up the belief of the big bang theory, I'll call it theory because it's never been proven or inproven completely. Supposedly, the universe began with fission. The temperature was too high even for fusion to occur which is why there is an abundance of hydrogen left over and scattered thought the universe. During this rise in temperature, more particles began to form and spread out. Let's pause for a moment here, what else has a high release in temperature and spreads? An explosion. A powerful nuclear fission explosion which was apparently too hot for fusion. I understand how this would make sense if it all started with one atom. As you would need more than one for fusion to occur. But when you think probability wise, this is very unlikely to occur naturally. Still possible, but unlikely.

A logical person would simply respond with "and that's exactly how I know you're clueless"

That's downsizing other people's beliefs, I'm not going to do that like you did here:

There is no evidence supporting your god

. This is a mature thread where you can share your opinion without criticizing other people's opinions and beliefs for open minded people. If you don't like it, then leave it.  

Posted by Pimpsy G.

~Stefan hawking quote 3 times now

why don't you just blow him already.  

I WORSHIP THE PLUFFY GOD

tell me he isn't real tell me i dare u  

Posted by MattKan

I WORSHIP THE PLUFFY GOD

tell me he isn't real tell me i dare u

I worship the Pluffy Devil. Get @ me bro.  

Posted by fp4

why don't you just blow him already.

You do realize that was 4 pages pages ago and most of the people here now wont backtrack to see it and it pretty much sums up my argument while also being relevant to what that person was saying? Please, don't be rude like htat before you speak. Jeez  

I think I'm going to leave this thread alone now considering the thread title has been altered and I don't want to have any responsibility for this thread anymore.

I will say that Atheism has come a long way over time, and tremendously more so than religion based on outdated old books written and revised by random people.  

Posted by Rexx

I think I'm going to leave this thread alone now considering the thread title has been altered and I don't want to have any responsibility for this thread anymore.

I will say that Atheism has come a long way over time, and tremendously more so than religion based on outdated old books written and revised by random people.

How exactly has atheism come a long way? Let's not give up yet, I still want to have some fun!  

Posted by Rexx

I will say that Atheism has come a long way over time, and tremendously more so than religion based on outdated old books written and revised by random people.

The idea of Athiesm doesn't change, it's just how people choose to represent it.  

Posted by -Albus

How exactly has atheism come a long way? Let's not give up yet, I still want to have some fun!

I think he meant science in general, I don't know why he said athiesm. That doesn't make any sense  

Posted by Pimpsy G.

I think he meant science in general, I don't know why he said athiesm. That doesn't make any sense

The science in general which would support an Atheist for not believing there is a god is what I meant so yeah.

Posted by Imprint

The idea of Athiesm doesn't change, it's just how people choose to represent it.

Posted by -Albus

How exactly has atheism come a long way? Let's not give up yet, I still want to have some fun!

Others are still welcome to continue of course!  

Posted by Blueh

There are evidences backing up the belief of God, perhaps you've just never looked into them. There are also evidences backing up the belief of the big bang theory, I'll call it theory because it's never been proven or inproven completely. Supposedly, the universe began with fission. The temperature was too high even for fusion to occur which is why there is an abundance of hydrogen left over and scattered thought the universe. During this rise in temperature, more particles began to form and spread out. Let's pause for a moment here, what else has a high release in temperature and spreads? An explosion. A powerful nuclear fission explosion which was apparently too hot for fusion. I understand how this would make sense if it all started with one atom. As you would need more than one for fusion to occur. But when you think probability wise, this is very unlikely to occur naturally. Still possible, but unlikely.

There is 0 evidence supporting the existence of any supernatural being. You're confusing belief with theory, clearly showing you're out of your depth. Your over-simplification of the early stages of the Universe is still nothing like a bomb. A bomb will literally fall to pieces and scatter in existing space. The Universe was not expanding in space, it was and still is expanding space itself. Think of it like a balloon that hasn't popped. You should also choose your words carefuly, the Universe did not begin with a fissure. The only certainty on the beginnings of the Universe (note beginnings vs orgins) is that it had to have started from a singularity.

Posted by Blueh

That's downsizing other people's beliefs, I'm not going to do that like you did here: . This is a mature thread where you can share your opinion without criticizing other people's opinions and beliefs for open minded people. If you don't like it, then leave it.

Clearing up your confusion of what the big bang is and how it isn't like a bomb is not downsizing anything, and has nothing to do with belief. The second bit isn't even a criticism nor is it mocking your beliefs, it's a fact.

You really need to learn the difference between theory, belief, science, unscientific, and non-scientific, and the concepts of logical statements and burden of proof. From a logical viewpont I'm crushing you in every angle.

Posted by Blueh

I worship the Pluffy Devil. Get @ me bro.

No such thing. ;D  

Posted by Crono

The specific and most important point of the big bang theory is that the Universe started at a singularity and then rapidly expanded.

The Universe was not expanding in space

Now you're just contradicting yourself. I'm going to assume you never even bothered to look into things such as miracles or things that just cannot be explained. Much like how the believed heads of some saints do not decompose or rot, even after centuries past. They have stuff like this on display (their heads are pale since all the blood dried up over time). For like the 20th time or so I'll say it again, there's a reason the Big Bang Theory is a theory. It's never been proven or disproven. There's evidence supporting the theory. But it does not prove it. As there is the same for a diety, which would be completely ignorant to say there isn't without looking into it.  

I solved the actual purpose of this thread therfore my post is ignored?