Yeah Dusty, this would be Graal the Adventure, back when PWs were first starting up and classic was going from the main game to, well, classic.

I'm thinking early 2000s, maybe? Whenever they first added ap, before the big level overhaul when they did some changes to scripting (I'm really fuzzy on the details here.) Gralats were easy to get then so it was no big deal.

Now that theres actual money to be made I can't see why they wouldn't bring back that idea.  

Posted by BrainDance

Yeah Dusty, this would be Graal the Adventure, back when PWs were first starting up and classic was going from the main game to, well, classic.

I'm thinking early 2000s, maybe? Whenever they first added ap, before the big level overhaul when they did some changes to scripting (I'm really fuzzy on the details here.) Gralats were easy to get then so it was no big deal.

Now that theres actual money to be made I can't see why they wouldn't bring back that idea.

GTA didn't come about until way past 2000 or so. GTA refers to a specific time period in Classic's life when Tyhm revamped the story and heavily integrated storylines and such into it. I think this period was about 2004, and the reason I don't have much experience with GTA is because around that time I had "quit" Graal and never really played much of it.

I remember vague portions of the server, mainly that you could select a class(vampire, zorbi, gnome and such... each had specific powers and abilities, but also weaknesses) and that it was very story-heavy. As far as story, it was a lot like what PC Classic does, with it forcing you to do various things before the world opens up.

If fountain donations = AP was a part of this server, around 2003+ or so then I can understand. But I am mostly positive it was not something implemented pre-Tyhm.  

Maybe, I'm not sure about the dates (I don't actually remember when I stopped playing, but it was definitely before 2004/2005, Whenever Graal went pay to play.) Graal the Adventure was what the client itself referred to the whole game as though, long before that.

I do remember the classes you're talking about, but that was definitely not a main part of the server. That came around before there even were other servers, but there was a place you could go on the south-east end of the map, select a class and play on what seemed like a different server, fresh stats/look, a more traditional rpg hp system and (working) magic system. It was all handled by scripting though and only artificially kept apart from the main world.

Eventually it did become a separate playerworld from the rest of Graal along with Graal 2K1 and others. I remember when it became it's own playerword it was Valikoria, but when it was still connected to the main server it was just Karlia or something along those lines. It was not Graal the Adventure any more than what we today know as classic though.

This was all pretty seperate from what was happening with the rest of Graal classic. I do remember the heavy additions by Thyme. I can't say if this was before or after. I think it was in the big quest area called Destiny though, if you can put a time to that.

I think you might be thinking of the later revisions that were done when the new npc-server was put in place. I'm pretty sure Thyme was responsible for this but it's seperate from the earlier quests he added to give a unified plot to Graal. He definitely had nothing to do with Karlia, that was way back (2000, 2001 at the latest.)  

O.o

Graal The Adventure refers to when Tyhm managed the Classic server. The server itself was called Graal The Adventure. Earlier on the client had Graal - the Adventure but when people say GTA they're typically referring to Classic under Thym's management. Also all that other various stuff refers to other servers entirely. It may seem like a unified part of Classic, but that was simply because back then you could warp to other servers via a script... that is typically how you travelled to other "worlds." Not long after though it was added so you could just type the IP. That is when servers really started making a history for themselves. Servers like N-Pulse started becoming popular as stand-alone servers.

Classic most definitely had classes at one point, again, under Tyhm's reign. This wasn't just some off-server side thing, it was a core part of the server.

For a long time, under Tyhm's management, the server slowly evolved with interesting new ideas such as 'races', where players gained attributes of their chosen race; for example, the Zorbi race could trap other players inside bubbles in order to escape a battle, though, in the end these races were removed after players complained of 'unfairness' between them.

 

Then that was after my time.

I can't really argue what other people mean when they say Graal the Adventure. What you're saying makes sense since no one really had to differentiate Graal The Adventure from anything else before then, but regardless that was Graal's name for ages.

How exactly did Karlia work back then? I was too young to know the details probably. I do know that other servers were a part of Graal since well before that, the (limited) g-server was around when I first started playing, and the old clients always let you put in any ip to any server.

I think we're talking about completely different time periods in Graal, when I say early 2000s I mean literally 00-02. Then and before people just refered to the game as a whole as "Graal the Adventure" when giving the full title.  

Posted by BrainDance

Then that was after my time.

I can't really argue what other people mean when they say Graal the Adventure. What you're saying makes sense since no one really had to differentiate Graal The Adventure from anything else before then, but regardless that was Graal's name for ages.

How exactly did Karlia work back then? I was too young to know the details probably. I do know that other servers were a part of Graal since well before that, the (limited) g-server was around when I first started playing, and the old clients always let you put in any ip to any server.

I think we're talking about completely different time periods in Graal, when I say early 2000s I mean literally 00-02. Then and before people just refered to the game as a whole as "Graal the Adventure" when giving the full title.

Back then Stefan publically posted the g-server and people hosted servers on their own computers. Most of them were fairly small/personal. Some of them were a bit popular and there were "warps" on the main Graal server(Graal - the Adventure. Realize though this name, while accurate, really wasn't what it was called. We just called it Graal, or "official Graal" and it didn't really have a name because it was the only server. Mainly it was just referred to as official. Now though it makes more sense to just call it Classic). You'd enter a door or touch a portal and you were warped to another server.

However being able to connect to other servers via IP was implemented fairly early. I know my copy of 1.41 lets you do so, and that's dated back to 2000.



What you'd do is simly put in the ip/url of the server you wanted to log into. This predated server lists and even forums, so unless you knew the ip there was no way to find a server. Typically server info was passed around via word of mouth or a playerhouse containing the ip/url info.

As for what I remember about what periods:

> 1999/2000 is when I started playing. Classic was the only server I knew of because it was the default server to log into. Server at this point was mostly player-content driven. Houses, quests and even entire towns were entirely made by players. GPs were also introduced around this time, I remember when they were "added." It was the only staff that existed. There were no development staff or anything, just GP. If content was to be added, it was if you made it and submitted it and it was reviewed and liked/passed prerequisites. Towns like Destiny, Avalon and so on were all made like this. This is the server I actually played and the version I am most familiar with.

> 2000-2001 Stefan no longer worked on Classic and instead put time into side projects like New World and eventually Graal 2001. This also marked the introduction of NPC-servers and such, and the P2P feature(g-servers were no longer freely distributed). However NPC-servers weren't mandatory for servers until around 2004 or something. A lot like the conversion from GS1 to GS2. I still played a little around this time but I also started getting into development more and played less. Forums were also released at this time as well.

> 2002 or so was when the early version of G2k2 was released. Fun ****... but sadly became Graal Kingdoms.

> 2003 or so I quit graal for quite a long time. I popped in every now and then but that's it. This is when Tyhm really started changing Classic and it's what we all know as "Graal the Adventure." This conversion may have started a little bit earlier, but like I said I didn't actually play much around this time.

And then from there I didn't really "play" much, just developed so whatever happened on Classic escapes me. You'd be better off asking one of the more active players from around that time frame like Rufus or possibly Crono.

Sorry I went on a bit of a long tangent here. Hard to cover years of history in a brief manner O.o even if it wasn't necessary.  

There were no fountains in Avalon as far as I know.  

You're thinkin of Avalon, and it never became a player world. Classes were never added to classic/graal the adventure, but nations were for a brief period. And even when the nations were released, I don't think they lasted long because that was when classic was force to get an npc server.

I think you might have classic confused with some player world.  

Posted by -Albus

You're thinkin of Avalon, and it never became a player world. Classes were never added to classic/graal the adventure, but nations were for a brief period. And even when the nations were released, I don't think they lasted long because that was when classic was force to get an npc server.

I think you might have classic confused with some player world.

Graal the Adventure(again, Tyhm's version) definitely had classes. They just didn't last very long. Err... well they were races, not classes. Same difference though. I very clearly remember races like Gnome, Vampire and such. You can read about a few of them here:

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...t=races&page=4

"Ah, vampires are out. Excellent."

Sadly this stuff isn't very well documented.

edit: Rufus informs me this was all part of nations. Like I said I didn't play around this time. I logged in, it let me chose what type of character I could be(Vampire, Gnome, Zorbi and a few others I can't remember) and I got to do special abilities and crap. Sounds like choosing a race to me, but if it was part of nations that's fine. But I still just consider it race picking since I didn't stick around and do the nation stuff. If it was part of some large nation gameplay stuff that's cool, but understand my confusion when I log on and get to change my character to various races, that I assume it's the ability to change my race.  

That's the thing, like you said this is all so poorly documented. We're all working off decade old memories here. Websites from that era just didn't stick around in the way things do now.

-Albus, Avalon was definitely a city on Graal classic (or, the adventure, or just Graal whatever ) at one point and there were a couple neat quests there. There was no fountain in Avalon but I think there might have been in the much larger area, Destiny, south of it. I know that was on classic because it was the location of one of the tridents at one point.  

Yeah, Avalon was a bug island that was in the southwest corner of the map. However, Avalon wasn't a place where you had different stats and magic and what not, it was just an island that was made by one of the old lats. There were a few quests associated there, namely the birdshot as well as some heras and I think a part of the level 3 sword quest, but other than that it wasn't that big of a deal. The only other notable thing in Avalon was an NPC that was nearly impossible to kill. He had 50 health and was insanely aggressive. Behind the room with him was a secret bookshelf where you could get a speedboat(horse) that worked on water.

Destiny wasn't south of Avalon, it was just the southernmost place on the mainland. Destiny had some pretty notable quests, but never had a fountain if I remember correctly. Destiny was also much smaller than Avalon too in terms of size. It had more quests, like the pyramid and the Mario style tower, but it was definitely smaller.  

Lmao all these past posts have been irrelevant to the thread. Or I refrained from reading the essay like posts.  

Maybe you should actually read the "essay" posts before declaring them irrelevant hm?  

Posted by -Albus

The only other notable thing in Avalon was an NPC that was nearly impossible to kill. He had 50 health and was insanely aggressive

Man, that asshole.



As far as I remember, you didn't get much for killing him either. He just spammed magic attacks, fire blasts and healed constantly. However he only attacked if you attacked him. It was an easy way to get noobs killed. People also killed him as bragging rights.

The biggest achievement of Avalon imo was the layout of the island being so symmetrical. A laugh these days, but back then someone sat there and did that all by hand.  

Posted by -Albus

Yeah, Avalon was a bug island that was in the southwest corner of the map. However, Avalon wasn't a place where you had different stats and magic and what not, it was just an island that was made by one of the old lats. There were a few quests associated there, namely the birdshot as well as some heras and I think a part of the level 3 sword quest, but other than that it wasn't that big of a deal. The only other notable thing in Avalon was an NPC that was nearly impossible to kill. He had 50 health and was insanely aggressive. Behind the room with him was a secret bookshelf where you could get a speedboat(horse) that worked on water.

Destiny wasn't south of Avalon, it was just the southernmost place on the mainland. Destiny had some pretty notable quests, but never had a fountain if I remember correctly. Destiny was also much smaller than Avalon too in terms of size. It had more quests, like the pyramid and the Mario style tower, but it was definitely smaller.

You're thinking of Graal much later, around this time http://i.imgur.com/QtIXP.jpg but originally Destiny was much bigger, and Avalon much smaller. Here's a map from then http://i.imgur.com/GnK0i.png.

In order to get to Destiny you had to walk through Avalon.

Also notice the small lake in the right corner, there was a cave there that led to Karlia. That was where you had classes and more of an RP focus.