Posted by Maikeru

Wow... I can't believe you're actually so dumb enough to claim this as a "original" game...
Play Zelda then Play Graal Classic... Look at the Similarities!
The way the game plays, looks, and how the characters fight are clearly the same sh*t as what it shows on Zelda! Look at how Link slashes his sword, shoots his arrow, pick up items, picks up and tosses the bomb, walks, dies, pushes, and pulls objects... go compare it to Graal Classic! I dare you to go against me and tell me a difference between them... You know they're exactly the same!

Stop trying to be the lawyer here and take a good look at the similarities again.. And for the love of god, don't say that anything is original as long as its edited a little. Fine, let me take your sprites, Color them red and blue, then originally claim them mine. Thats pretty much the same sh*t you're telling me here..

Its not only copyright when characters or property of nintendo are being used but its also copyright when a game plays the same exact thing as Zelda. Don't try to make a F*cking difference between the games because one is online and the others one not..

Congrats mister "I think its not zelda because all game have bushes" critic... But you are defending a poorly executed paintjob of a zelda clone here... If you wish to continue speaking, i'd be glad to respond against your invalid arguments..

It's time for a lesson...
Graal was originally named Zelda Online, then was later converted to Graal online, while the name changed, most of the graphics and tilesets did not.
they had to later be changed due to copyright infrindgment.
like it or not dusty couldn't be more correct. If I was going to create a player world, I could no matter whatever cercomstances, i could NOT upload a pikachu hat, mario hat(etc). I could however upload a bomb that looks exactly like the bombs from Zelda. I could also make it so all the GANIs are exact copies of zelda. Nintendo cant copyright those types of things.  

I suppose if you wanted to see the levels with that tileset, you could always grab the old tileset, do some editing and add that to the iDevice directory and play the server with that, although I don't know if that's allowed and wouldn't support the newer tile additions unless you copied and pasted the tiles from the classic iPhone pics1.png. And that would be going against Graals rules. You can't steal tiles, so I guess, you are going to have to be happy with the original tileset mate.  

Let's get more onto the whole idea of Graal Retro iPhone. It would be so awesome!  

Posted by comet graal

It's time for a lesson...
Graal was originally named Zelda Online, then was later converted to Graal online, while the name changed, most of the graphics and tilesets did not.
they had to later be changed due to copyright infrindgment.
like it or not dusty couldn't be more correct. If I was going to create a player world, I could no matter whatever cercomstances, i could NOT upload a pikachu hat, mario hat(etc). I could however upload a bomb that looks exactly like the bombs from Zelda. I could also make it so all the GANIs are exact copies of zelda. Nintendo cant copyright those types of things.

Let me give you in on a fact: Copyrighting does not work if you aren't making cash out of originally created license/games. If your game happens to play as an exact reference to Zelda and/or somewhat resembles the game very likely and is making cash out of the app, thats Copyrighting! Your graphics still didn't change the appearance of the game, as it still looks like a Zelda Clone..

You can make a Pikachu hat! If you're not making money out of the Pikachu hat, then you can give it away on Graal Classic. If however you are making money out of the Pikachu hat, you're copyrighting, using the license from another game/company to make a cash-in.

No matter how much times you try to defend it, everyone in this forum can pretty much tell that the graphics did not change much really and that the entire game is one giant Zelda clone online game. The game is an entire copyright. No one pretty much tells it to Nintendo because they're addicted to this sh*t..  

I just wanted this to a happy thread about making the REAL Graal Classic iPhone...  

Posted by Maikeru

Your graphics still didn't change the appearance of the game, as it still looks like a Zelda Clone..

Yes it did. Legally, it's not stolen graphics, therefor there is nothing Nintendo could ever do about it. They can't take anyone to court screaming "omgz, the graphics kind of look kind of like Zelda!!!" because cloning a game is not illegal. I mean dammit, almost every FPS out there looks exactly the ****ing same. Are you really this thick?

Again, you can not copyright gameplay, or style. Copyright deals with details, such as the raw image, the layout of the pixels that create the image... not "it kind of looks sort of the same, if you turn your head this way, so it is copyright infringement!"

Every single post of yours that I have read is just you rambling about made up things in your head, about how you think the copyright system works. And it's all wrong. You don't even seem to have a vague idea about how copyrighting works, so you fill in the blanks with how you think they should work. Seriously, can you at least give examples of where it's illegal to make a game that plays like Zelda? I mean it's not as though I didn't already post a few examples of games doing exactly the things you said it's illegal for Graal to do.  

Posted by Maikeru

Let me give you in on a fact: Copyrighting does not work if you aren't making cash out of originally created license/games. If your game happens to play as an exact reference to Zelda and/or somewhat resembles the game very likely and is making cash out of the app, thats Copyrighting! Your graphics still didn't change the appearance of the game, as it still looks like a Zelda Clone..

You can make a Pikachu hat! If you're not making money out of the Pikachu hat, then you can give it away on Graal Classic. If however you are making money out of the Pikachu hat, you're copyrighting, using the license from another game/company to make a cash-in.

No matter how much times you try to defend it, everyone in this forum can pretty much tell that the graphics did not change much really and that the entire game is one giant Zelda clone online game. The game is an entire copyright. No one pretty much tells it to Nintendo because they're addicted to this sh*t..

You are ignorant maikeru.
It's not illegal if something sorta resembles something.  

Edit: I take back the insults and lemme explain in detail

Posted by Dusty

Yes it did. Legally, it's not stolen graphics, therefor there is nothing Nintendo could ever do about it. They can't take anyone to court screaming "omgz, the graphics kind of look kind of like Zelda!!!" because cloning a game is not illegal. I mean dammit, almost every FPS out there looks exactly the ****ing same. Are you really this thick?

Its not the graphics don't look like zelda but are exactly the same zelda sprites except with a small recolor and how buffed the sprites are... and cloning a game is definitely illegal if you intend to make cash out of it without the permission of the original owner of the license... If it were entirely free (Instead of smacking all over the place to buy the + version), then it wouldn't be copyright..

Again, you can not copyright gameplay, or style. Copyright deals with details, such as the raw image, the layout of the pixels that create the image... not "it kind of looks sort of the same, if you turn your head this way, so it is copyright infringement!"

Graal Classic copyrighted Zelda's gameplay in every perspective. After they created Zelda online (originally now known as Graal), Unixmad wanted to make cash out of it and tried to make the game look different from Zelda just to avoid copyright issues... Sadly, this failed...

Every single post of yours that I have read is just you rambling about made up things in your head, about how you think the copyright system works. And it's all wrong. You don't even seem to have a vague idea about how copyrighting works, so you fill in the blanks with how you think they should work. Seriously, can you at least give examples of where it's illegal to make a game that plays like Zelda? I mean it's not as though I didn't already post a few examples of games doing exactly the things you said it's illegal for Graal to do.

Lemme explain...
Copyrighting is allowed if the clone doesn't make a fortune out of it... Linken in World of Warcraft happens to be an NPC in-game (Not purchasing content) so thats allowed... Because they're not making money out of Linken... If you go sell a pikachu hat in graal, thats copyright because you don't have permission of the original owner of the license... You can't steal licensed games/properties and intend to make a huge fortune out of it...

Thats what Graal Classic is dealing with... You can pretty much see how Graal Era changed a whole lot... It doesn't look like as its a zelda clone anymore... Graal Classic hasn't been given the full paintjob just yet... As if half of the world still looks like Zelda Online... UnixMad just wants to make it look different so he can continue to cash in while having to avoid complains of how its copyright..

Take a look at the video i posted earlier... You'll see what i mean  

Posted by Maikeru

Have you just read what you just said about now?

What do you think i just said in my last reply?


God, the stupidity of these people...
Next thing you know, Unixmad may be brilliant to get a group of people to recolor the mario brothers, add in an online mode, and intends to make cash out of it even though the graphics will still resemble mario brothers...


It wasn't real. We were just stupid at those times. The whole town was an entire pk zone so we just slashed random players in town and pretended to RP

Have you read what I said? Because no, it doesn't matter if your game plays exactly like another game, you can't copyright that ****.

A game resembling another is not copyright infringement. What the **** is so hard about understanding this?  

Posted by Dusty

Have you read what I said? Because no, it doesn't matter if your game plays exactly like another game, you can't copyright that ****.

A game resembling another is not copyright infringement. What the **** is so hard about understanding this?

+Rep  

Sorry for the rude comments... Edited it and described in every detail... Please read it so you'll know what i mean...  

Posted by Maikeru

Edit: I take back the insults and lemme explain in detail

Its not the graphics don't look like zelda but are exactly the same zelda sprites except with a small recolor and how buffed the sprites are... and cloning a game is definitely illegal if you intend to make cash out of it without the permission of the original owner of the license... If it were entirely free (Instead of smacking all over the place to buy the + version), then it wouldn't be copyright..


Graal Classic copyrighted Zelda's gameplay in every perspective. After they created Zelda online (originally now known as Graal), Unixmad wanted to make cash out of it and tried to make the game look different from Zelda just to avoid copyright issues... Sadly, this failed...


Lemme explain...
Copyrighting is allowed if the clone doesn't make a fortune out of it... Linken in World of Warcraft happens to be an NPC in-game (Not purchasing content) so thats allowed... Because they're not making money out of Linken... If you go sell a pikachu hat in graal, thats copyright because you don't have permission of the original owner of the license... You can't steal licensed games/properties and intend to make a huge fortune out of it...

Thats what Graal Classic is dealing with... You can pretty much see how Graal Era changed a whole lot... It doesn't look like as its a zelda clone anymore... Graal Classic hasn't been given the full paintjob just yet... As if half of the world still looks like Zelda Online... UnixMad just wants to make it look different so he can continue to cash in while having to avoid complains of how its copyright..

Take a look at the video i posted earlier... You'll see what i mean

It's not the gameplay that decides if it it's copyright. Graal is a lot like Zelda, BUT it isn't Zelda. As long as it doesn't steal the name or characters it's not copyright.  

+Rep and your right.  

Wendys and McDonalds both sell hamburgers but they aren't the same  

Posted by Chaotic

Wendys and McDonalds both sell hamburgers but they aren't the same

Don't forget that I copyrighted the word 'and', so if anybody else uses it I'm going to sue them.