Posted by AimeeAdelphos

I am saying prove the issue and it will be dealt with. You're bashing people without proof, I thought you were above that. You're calling out a "kid" on a forum for no reason. Last Saturday or Sunday when Rebel was attacking you were asking me to take from you at 12 am est because your members were banned and you felt there was staff abuse and didn't want Rebellious to get. Now, because we attacked its my guild responsible.

Btw Thallen staff can get a record of this as well. Of you pming me to take Sardon when we refused. So yeahhh.  

This issue has seriously died down, though. You can't complain just because of something that happened in the past, because, believe it or not, the past is over.  

I don't really understand what is the big deal of staff in towers they have to check towers from time to time to make sure nothing bad is going on.
And Staff in guilds really don't have a bigger upper in having people join your guild. It is like any other guild if someone wants to join they will ask you for a tag.

I been towering with vintage the last view months and I mainly only see people they started out with when i joined we got a few in since we do have friends in guilds.

Aster is the owner of VG so she would get members Liz and aimee are from com and I am from Cxe. 99 P sucked dik at taking towers and holding them.
To me admins really dont have the upper hand.
Not everyone join guilds for admins they join it to make friends or because they have friends in it.
I have been seen admins that did abuse their powers to banned people for attacking towers and even helping people take towers on their staff account. I did get one scrub fired for it.

I haven't seen aster evny abuse their powers when abel lags out the ass where the point he can't be hit but only by arrows.
They don't waste their time to be on since everyone will just b*tch admin abuse when they are doing something wrong and more people will hate them for banning someone for a good reason. People are childish and only do **** to make others look bad when they are on the ones that are ban for the right reason.  

Posted by AimeeAdelphos

I am saying prove the issue and it will be dealt with. You're bashing people without proof, I thought you were above that. You're calling out a "kid" on a forum for no reason. Last Saturday or Sunday when Rebel was attacking you were asking me to take from you at 12 am est because your members were banned and you felt there was staff abuse and didn't want Rebellious to get. Now, because we attacked its my guild responsible.

Er, this has nothing to do with "attacking" at a fort, I welcome that. Please, continue to do it. This thread has to do with admins, specifically admins in guilds like yours, abusing their powers to contribute to fort hours.

Posted by AimeeAdelphos

You clearly just don't like getting attacked or loosing, and when you do you make a hate thread about it. You lost a fort, on a game, get over it. When your members were banned we weren't even involved.

What are you even talking about? You're going completely off track, it's like you've convinced yourself this thread was made for a reason other than why it obviously was. All you do is deflect and try to draw attention away from the issue. You act like this is a personal attack against you.

Posted by AimeeAdelphos

Btw Thallen staff can get a record of this as well. Of you pming me to take Sardon when we refused. So yeahhh.

??? What are you going on about?! What does me politely offering to give your guild Sardon's have anything to do with Envy abusing? Why the hell would it be of any concern to me if an admin can see the logs of me offering to give you a tower? ???

I'm well-aware that messages are saved to the server. Here's another suggestion for any concerned admin reading this thread: read through my PM history with Envy. My earliest PM history with her, not my latest PMs where I am playfully trolling her with hearts and kissy faces.
After the incident where she was invisible, I PMed her and confronted her about it. When I threatened to bring the issue to higher admins, she made the claim that she had already talked to Rufus about it. Sounds like an Aimee tactic, just trying to deflect me from continuing in my efforts to expose her abuse. In some nervous, last-ditch effort to cover her tracks, she PMs me and claims that she's "sorry that she was lagging," out of the blue. She knows what she did.

Posted by MattKan

This issue has seriously died down, though. You can't complain just because of something that happened in the past, because, believe it or not, the past is over.

I guess you didn't read the thread. The past? As in, yesterday? This week? If you were active at towers, there's a much greater chance you'd have never made this post.

Posted by Santa Claus

I don't really understand what is the big deal of staff in towers they have to check towers from time to time to make sure nothing bad is going on.

I understand that opinion, because you're a member of a guild that has been consistently on the advantageous end of guilds having admins.  

But thats not just the point. Like my picture earlier in the topic, envy was doing something that we get banned for. See the problem? But say somebody else was doing it, non staff, and my guild tried attacking. I would have to feedback or report that player, and by the time the admin gets there, if the admin gets there, the player most likely is doing something else. But say vintage was attacking, and someone was lag blocking, its as easy as switching your account to warp that player immediatly. Anoter pic of abuse is what Thallen posted, of the invisible scout.  

Posted by Thallen

I guess you didn't read the thread. The past? As in, yesterday? This week? If you were active at towers, there's a much greater chance you'd have never made this post.

You're right, I skimmed most of this thread. But you guys don't give enough credit to the staff when issues like this improve because, while no system is flawless, the current staff team is far less flawed than it was in the recent past.  

My opinion: Let admins be allowed to participate in towers to a certain extent, like I don't see the problem with what Neo does. But guilds with admin leaders are clearly at the advantage of recruits and lag/chat blocking. (They can get people instantly punished for it).  

blablabla
tl;dr'd
sensed another flame war and skipped it

Yes, admin guilds were a huge problem in 2011. Magic, first 1k admin guild, had literally 10 graal police and NYN would scout and attack with staff account on. That summer, nearly every fort was controlled by an admin guild...

But this really is not a problem anymore. Vintage is the only tower guild with graal police leaders currently. Other than that and US, ive never seen other admins participate in guild activities.  

Posted by Thallen

I understand that opinion, because you're a member of a guild that has been consistently on the advantageous end of guilds having admins.

Lol this is true^  

Posted by Thallen

immature and irresponsible administrators

I've never agreed with Thallen, but this phrase is golden.  

Posted by twilit

Yes, admin guilds were a huge problem in 2011. Magic, first 1k admin guild, had literally 10 graal police and NYN would scout and attack with staff account on. That summer, nearly every fort was controlled by an admin guild...

But this really is not a problem anymore. Vintage is the only tower guild with graal police leaders currently. Other than that and US, ive never seen other admins participate in guild activities.

 

Posted by Eldon

But thats not just the point. Like my picture earlier in the topic, envy was doing something that we get banned for. See the problem? But say somebody else was doing it, non staff, and my guild tried attacking. I would have to feedback or report that player, and by the time the admin gets there, if the admin gets there, the player most likely is doing something else. But say vintage was attacking, and someone was lag blocking, its as easy as switching your account to warp that player immediatly. Anoter pic of abuse is what Thallen posted, of the invisible scout.

The invincible scout may have been Xor, may have been Coco, may have been anyone working and just happened to be next to Sardon. That's crazy paranoia if you assume it was my guild when several staff patrols all towers.  

Posted by Thallen

I understand that opinion, because you're a member of a guild that has been consistently on the advantageous end of guilds having admins.

But this, this is a little iffy.  

Posted by GotenGraal

My opinion: Let admins be allowed to participate in towers to a certain extent, like I don't see the problem with what Neo does. But guilds with admin leaders are clearly at the advantage of recruits and lag/chat blocking. (They can get people instantly punished for it).

Neo and Lulu help your guild more than Ast is on Vintage tag, and it's all fair play.  

Posted by Blueh

You really don't want to give them a valid excuse, now do you?

Another golden phrase concerning admins...this is all they look for nowadays.