Taking down soulslayer.info. - 2

Loose Crow · 11-17-2011

Posted by Higbey

It's not the uploaders fault that you guys made a site where you put tons of graphics up without permission from the owners. You made a site with everyones work, you put it up without their consent, and now thieves use your site. You took guides and other things from players, and basically you and soulslayer have been horrible to other players. I don't care if its illegal. I care if its immoral. If I need to find illegal problems with the site to get it taken down then do be it.

Posted by TylerMysTe

Are you stupid? These are from your site and we are allowed to post them on forums on our posts. We're not even doing anything that's violating copyright material, you are.

You seriously didn't understand my point, what I was trying to say was the uploaders allowed copyrighted pokemon characters to be uploaded on graal, thats copyrighinfingment nothing to do with us. And you guys blaming on us. It's the up loaders fault.

We respect all creations, we try to remove any copyrighted materials that the graal up loaders may have missed.
We ACCEPT removal request ( ur lucky)
Please read this
http://soulslayer-graal.info/disclaimer

STOP THE FLAMING

Maikeru · 11-17-2011

(Applies to Graal aswell)

DragonRider · 11-17-2011

Posted by Loose Crow

what I was trying to say was the uploaders allowed copyrighted pokemon characters to be uploaded on graal,

Woah, they let them upload copyrighted heads on Classic? In Era, they will get rejected if someone tried to upload it. Stefan's so paranoid about copyright that he changes the tiles but lets Pokemon customs pass. He's gotta get his priorities straight.

LavaClaw · 11-17-2011

Posted by Loose Crow

You seriously didn't understand my point, what I was trying to say was the uploaders allowed copyrighted pokemon characters to be uploaded on graal, thats copyrighinfingment nothing to do with us. And you guys blaming on us. It's the up loaders fault.

You don't understand their point. The customs are owned by GRAAL not you. Does it give you the right to distribute them? I think not. In fact, it is against the law to distribute copyrighted material.
In response to you blaming this on the uploaders. They do not know everything, some may not play pokemon so they haven't the faintest idea on what the uploaded head is from, as far as they know, its original.

callimuc · 11-17-2011

http://www.soulslayer-graal.info/wp-content/gallery/male-heads/classic_personal_head_graal784565-107.png (Unsupported image host)
Koopalings. I think it was at about page 6 at males heads (forgot to look at the page number)

Higbey · 11-17-2011

You don't get it do you? It's not the pokemon heads and such that we care about. We are just using those copyright violations and such to get your site taken down.

Ive said it once and I'll say it again. Your site has graphics from tons of players, you didn't ask the owners of the graphics for permission to upload it. We don't want our stuff on the site. No one does. Ask people if they want their graphics posted on the site, if they say yes then do it, if not, you can't have it on your site. Your site is a haven for graphic thieves and you take content from players without permission. We asked and asked. You ignored us. You brought this upon yourself. It is your own ignorance that is to blame.

To everyone else, keep up the good work, send all evidence of copyright infringement to me in a message do we v

Lettro · 11-17-2011

Posted by Maikeru

(Applies to Graal aswell)

Hearing sonic's voice for the first time in years makes me feel weird inside.

Tyler · 11-17-2011

Posted by Loose Crow

You seriously didn't understand my point, what I was trying to say was the uploaders allowed copyrighted pokemon characters to be uploaded on graal, thats copyrighinfingment nothing to do with us. And you guys blaming on us. It's the up loaders fault.

We respect all creations, we try to remove any copyrighted materials that the graal up loaders may have missed.
We ACCEPT removal request ( ur lucky)
Please read this
http://soulslayer-graal.info/disclaimer

STOP THE FLAMING

That statement in bold is absolute bull. If you respected the creations you would not post them on the site. We shouldn't have to look for the custom and feedback all this detailed information about it just to get it removed. It shouldn't be up there in the first place.

callimuc · 11-17-2011

Posted by Loose Crow

Please read this
http://soulslayer-graal.info/disclaimer

STOP THE FLAMING

Seems like you guys missed something. Actually you ask before you take something instead of taking something and getting the people to contact YOU! You want to offer the service so YOU should take the work of asking people, instead of getting hated and just taking some stuff till people will request to remove their artwork.

toeknee · 11-17-2011

If you guys think soulslayer is bad I know like 2 or 3 other websites that have waaaaaay more customs that were stolen...

callimuc · 11-17-2011

Posted by toeknee

If you guys think soulslayer is bad I know like 2 or 3 other websites that have waaaaaay more customs that were stolen...

Post them so we can hate them.

Tyler · 11-17-2011

Posted by toeknee

If you guys think soulslayer is bad I know like 2 or 3 other websites that have waaaaaay more customs that were stolen...

Name them.

Rufus · 11-17-2011

You guys seem to be missing the point on what that e-mail is asking for. Fan art of heads are not applicable here. Heads that you have made (that you, by default, own the copyrights for) are the only angle you could take this in, but you'd need proof that you created the head. The people that run the site seem more than happy to take the content down upon request though, so I don't think this is going to get very far.

Kavan · 11-17-2011

Copyright hinges on the question of ownership of an original piece of work, in this case, graphics. Copyright becomes immediately effective on the creation of the original work, without the creator even registering to protect his work or anything similar. It is already protected by copyright, which means the copyright belongs to the original creator.
Because of this, the original creator has the exclusive right to prevent any third party from doing any of the following:

- Copying the original piece of work
- Present copies of the piece of work to the public
- Making an adaption of the original work

The one I have highlighted in bold is the one Soulslayer is currently breaching, as he is uploading pieces of copyrighted work onto a public website for others to download and edit further, breaching the copyright even more than it already has been.
So, I'm sorry to say Loose Crow, you and your fellow administrators on www.soulslayer-graal.info are indeed breaching copyright, and so you must remove the work.
If you want to keep doing this, please find every creator for each artwork you have uploaded and ask for their permission to do so, otherwise, like I said, you're breaching copyright.

Also, if you're a little skeptical about the whole "copyright on creation" idea, then just know that GraalOnline owns the images as they have been uploaded onto Graal with the owner's consent (in one way or another), and that they now own them.

callimuc · 11-17-2011

Posted by Kavan

Also, if you're a little skeptical about the whole "copyright on creation" idea, then just know that GraalOnline owns the images as they have been uploaded onto Graal with the owner's consent (in one way or another), and that they now own them.

Actually I have been wondering about that. At the PC version I can agree with that, because usually you had to read that license agreement. But for the iServers there is nothing anywhere. Not at the uploading information webside nor in the game.

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Maikeru Quack Quack~ Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 1,810	(Applies to Graal aswell)

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callimuc Registered User Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Germany Posts: 6,122	http://www.soulslayer-graal.info/wp-content/gallery/male-heads/classic_personal_head_graal784565-107.png (Unsupported image host) Koopalings. I think it was at about page 6 at males heads (forgot to look at the page number)

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Higbey Not Banned Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Hell Posts: 4,885	You don't get it do you? It's not the pokemon heads and such that we care about. We are just using those copyright violations and such to get your site taken down. Ive said it once and I'll say it again. Your site has graphics from tons of players, you didn't ask the owners of the graphics for permission to upload it. We don't want our stuff on the site. No one does. Ask people if they want their graphics posted on the site, if they say yes then do it, if not, you can't have it on your site. Your site is a haven for graphic thieves and you take content from players without permission. We asked and asked. You ignored us. You brought this upon yourself. It is your own ignorance that is to blame. To everyone else, keep up the good work, send all evidence of copyright infringement to me in a message do we v

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toeknee Registered User Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: los angeles, california Posts: 13	If you guys think soulslayer is bad I know like 2 or 3 other websites that have waaaaaay more customs that were stolen...

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Rufus Registered rufp4 Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 3,378	You guys seem to be missing the point on what that e-mail is asking for. Fan art of heads are not applicable here. Heads that you have made (that you, by default, own the copyrights for) are the only angle you could take this in, but you'd need proof that you created the head. The people that run the site seem more than happy to take the content down upon request though, so I don't think this is going to get very far.

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Kavan I'm watching... Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Northern Ireland, UK Posts: 644	Copyright hinges on the question of ownership of an original piece of work, in this case, graphics. Copyright becomes immediately effective on the creation of the original work, without the creator even registering to protect his work or anything similar. It is already protected by copyright, which means the copyright belongs to the original creator. Because of this, the original creator has the exclusive right to prevent any third party from doing any of the following: - Copying the original piece of work - Present copies of the piece of work to the public - Making an adaption of the original work The one I have highlighted in bold is the one Soulslayer is currently breaching, as he is uploading pieces of copyrighted work onto a public website for others to download and edit further, breaching the copyright even more than it already has been. So, I'm sorry to say Loose Crow, you and your fellow administrators on www.soulslayer-graal.info are indeed breaching copyright, and so you must remove the work. If you want to keep doing this, please find every creator for each artwork you have uploaded and ask for their permission to do so, otherwise, like I said, you're breaching copyright. Also, if you're a little skeptical about the whole "copyright on creation" idea, then just know that GraalOnline owns the images as they have been uploaded onto Graal with the owner's consent (in one way or another), and that they now own them.