Posted by iHot

Nice spin on my thread and by the way is using stealth in the catheradel where no one goes considered part of staff to-do list, but anyway this is higbeys fight not mine.

I stealth in my own personal house.

I'm fairly certain it's not on the staff to-do list. However, it helps me because I'm not pestered by folks while I do Dev work. I guess I could stealth on top of the bank and get pestered. But then Dev work would be lacking. Whichever you prefer.

I apologize, I didn't realize we also couldn't take breaks every so often to read ever-so-nagging PMs about "take a pix w/ me plz" and "join my guild!1!On1one", or read reports on Feedback, or doing things on RC when I request staff member participation.

I didn't realize you knew all the behind-the-scene things going on. My apologies good sir. You're narrative omnipotent view is something I must have missed.  

Posted by Azrael

I stealth in my own personal house.

I'm fairly certain it's not on the staff to-do list. However, it helps me because I'm not pestered by folks while I do Dev work. I guess I could stealth on top of the bank and get pestered. But then Dev work would be lacking. Whichever you prefer.

I apologize, I didn't realize we also couldn't take breaks every so often to read ever-so-nagging PMs about "take a pix w/ me plz" and "join my guild!1!On1one", or read reports on Feedback, or doing things on RC when I request staff member participation.

I didn't realize you knew all the behind-the-scene things going on. My apologies good sir. You're narrative omnipotent view is something I must have missed.

Well "My good sir" that post was directed towards warrlord not you.  

Posted by iHot

Well "My good sir" that post was directed towards warrlord not you.

He's one of my staff members, so when you direct something towards them, you inadvertently direct it towards me as well.

But I do appreciate the sentiment of you suggesting that I am a good sir as well. Thank you.  

In my opinion, I think Graal Classic has went a bit over board with the hat selling and I think it's just big black hole of hats and money. It can be easily reversed though. I know the staff are being pushed pretty hard since the player count is demanding more and more updates and things to do. If we could just move away from the hats and towards more constructive updates that don't cost money, but perhaps take time to acquire the item at the end. You guys were right on the money with the Graalloween quests when you had to find the potion ingredients and return them to the statues. Players had a bunch of fun and it didn't cost them a penny.  

Posted by iHot

Well "My good sir" that post was directed towards warrlord not you.

Kinda funny and amusing how you question my work and what i do? How does this effect you, have i ignored you begging for a drag or simply didn't notice you ..

wait OMG your iHot then again iWho?

Like i state in one of my other post before i didn't join to say hey lets slaps each other backs and call it friendship. If you don't see what's behind your iDevice and don't know what's going on i think your little question applies to yourself  

Me beg for a drag you must be kidding i learned my lesson after what old admins did they dragged me forever. I was simply at the catheradel and was like WTF when i saw words in air.  

I feel that there should be areas that take more skill to get into, than money. Of course, leave the areas that need a draisine or a lantern, but add an area where there is a challenge to say, get a key that unlocks a door to another area.  

Ok there's no need to get nasty towards each other >_< we all have our own opinions, but really...iHot, so what if you saw warllord on the cathedral? How does that affect you in any way? We all work whether you see it or not but you don;t need to yell at each other :|  

Higbey, I think you need to listen to this song a little bit more.

 

lol admins are getting trolled so hard on here

Posted by Emera

In my opinion, I think Graal Classic has went a bit over board with the hat selling and I think it's just big black hole of hats and money. It can be easily reversed though. I know the staff are being pushed pretty hard since the player count is demanding more and more updates and things to do. If we could just move away from the hats and towards more constructive updates that don't cost money, but perhaps take time to acquire the item at the end. You guys were right on the money with the Graalloween quests when you had to find the potion ingredients and return them to the statues. Players had a bunch of fun and it didn't cost them a penny.

YES!!! WINNNER!!!

give us TIME invested content NOT money invested.

I think I learned my lesson from buying a 20k hat that was sold for 1k just recently..
players might demand hats but give us something else for a change and they will conform en suite..

PS: I do believe the staff look at our suggestions here on the forums,
I posted this on October 10th: http://www.graalians.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1336
It might've been a coincidence but we got a maze quest when Halloween came  

I think that Graal is a Game which isnt so expensive anyway. There are alot of games which you cant even play without paying *cough* WoW *cough* and they still are getting played. Be happy that you have a Game like Graal. I also kinda get annoyed if I dont get a hat, but I dont mind anymore because I know its being stupid. Last year I bought alot of furniture at special occasions and I sold it again to buy what? New stuf!!! I didnt really want to sell it but I did. Im not selling them anymore, just storing at my house. So like I said! Be happy to have an unexpensive game like graal



PS: Maybe add 1 or 2 jobs, it's really hard to farm when you have real life, guild duty and other stuff going on. Just a suggestion  

Alright... Time to gather up the critics and staff's words and mix it up into a big understandable summary that both players can agree on:

The players to the staff
1.Too much content is based around hats. While they're a fun addition, staff members are slashing the prices and reviving old hats, when Furry specifically said in his own god damn words "The hats are supposed to be rare!". Is Furry like the only staff member nobody listens to!? But back to the point, there has been no major content that has kept us busy. RPS and Ghost form were like little fun to play ticks but died and lost interest in october pretty quickly. The holiday tokens aren't really helping either. The shop lacks of items.

2.The play was pretty much a complete downright disaster. It was okay for others but it lag'd and pretty much, everyone on this forum got bombarded by the murder theater cast because they gave us such a terrible excuse that they did not have time to work on the play.

3.Lets get this straight admins! We don't care about your behind the PC lives! Its not really bugging players but more likely putting them into complete frustration! Don't give some lazy excuse that you have a job to do or a family to feed or BLAH BLAH BLAH! You're 100% responsible for all content you work on and publish! You're held responsible for your position! we don't care if your work is 12 hours... If its a problem for you, then resign from the admin staff because what we're seeing here is nothing but garbage talk from admins... We players may talk like garbage but we do have several points here... and you're avoiding it with personal feelings to such ridiculous insults...

We got rumored by admins on a quest (which looks completely finished), a marriage chapel, and several areas rumored by other players... Please... Listen to your fanbase... If you want to keep some a surprise, then do so... But you should listen to your fans (as long as its acceptable)

4. There hasn't been any interesting events as well lately. Please try to add in a mix of events for all players to enjoy. From the PK to the Racing. Any will do :3

The Staff to the players
1. No one is forcing you to purchase these packs. You are held responsible for purchasing them and if you do, we don't give a damn. Theres no refunds upon all digital downloads and you're held for each one.

2. The hats and furniture updates are for a reason.. to keep players company while the big updates are held for the upcoming year.. Because while Graal Classic started off on a fresh point in the beginning of the year, the upload system and other stuff pretty much brought the game to a short downfall.. Therefore, we want to make it up by bringing you something fresh and something all groups can agree on

3. Shut up and give new players a chance! We want all players to have fun in this part. Sure hats and bodies have been released over and over again but it won't be fair for other players if they won't have it. Even though your proud and loyal, it does not mean anything to us. Please appreciate and contribute to the new players in Classic. Help them with something, Donate some hats we can sell, Let them join your guild and let them have fun. We want all players to feel welcome and acceptable to our game: Thats one of the biggest steps to being an Admin

4. Please stop complaining about tweaks and updates. This is for fellow Graal players to share their ideas in Graalians Forum. If you want to say something, we don't mind... Go ahead! As long as the topic does not harm/inflict directly against a fellow member or the game..

We're only looking for ideas that keeps Graal Classic at its roots and makes it a game acceptable for all.

 

@Maikeru

I can't believe I just read all that lol. I think that summarizes both sides pretty well. One question remains though. How can we solve this dispute between the staff and the players?  

iHot, are you accusing Warlord of slacking off and not doing his work? If you saw all the stuff he made for VIP and Christmas, you would regret what you just said.  

Posted by Maikeru

Alright... Time to gather up the critics and staff's words and mix it up into a big understandable summary that both players can agree on:

The players to the staff
1.Too much content is based around hats. While they're a fun addition, staff members are slashing the prices and reviving old hats, when Furry specifically said in his own god damn words "The hats are supposed to be rare!". Is Furry like the only staff member nobody listens to!? But back to the point, there has been no major content that has kept us busy. RPS and Ghost form were like little fun to play ticks but died and lost interest in october pretty quickly. The holiday tokens aren't really helping either. The shop lacks of items.

A: Graal isn't dead if you already got everything then be patient new content will be added.

2.The play was pretty much a complete downright disaster. It was okay for others but it lag'd and pretty much, everyone on this forum got bombarded by the murder theater cast because they gave us such a terrible excuse that they did not have time to work on the play.

A: Wasn't the play a free event for halloween would understand if you had to pay to get in.

3.Lets get this straight admins! We don't care about your behind the PC lives! Its not really bugging players but more likely putting them into complete frustration! Don't give some lazy excuse that you have a job to do or a family to feed or BLAH BLAH BLAH! You're 100% responsible for all content you work on and publish! You're held responsible for your position! we don't care if your work is 12 hours... If its a problem for you, then resign from the admin staff because what we're seeing here is nothing but garbage talk from admins... We players may talk like garbage but we do have several points here... and you're avoiding it with personal feelings to such ridiculous insults...

A: Let's get this straight players we do not care about your life behind IDevice such as school....ect if you want to focus on school and not gralats then graal isn't for you.
You ask for us to resign when your pixels are that crappy (Shocking) .

We got rumored by admins on a quest (which looks completely finished), a marriage chapel, and several areas rumored by other players... Please... Listen to your fanbase... If you want to keep some a surprise, then do so... But you should listen to your fans (as long as its acceptable)

4. There hasn't been any interesting events as well lately. Please try to add in a mix of events for all players to enjoy. From the PK to the Racing. Any will do :3

A: It's nice to leave your suggestions for us to see and what we think may fit will be added, but getting our attention and demanding it won't work.