Posted by Aaron

I hate how sometimes you guys relate iClassic to PC Classic. Both are completely different. So when you say that one guild is "still respected", and you're referring to a guild that originated on PC Classic, and never really did s*** on iClassic.... Ehh

US got more "famous" on iClassic than it did on PC lol.  

Pretty sure the attraction to US didn't really have anything to do with Ares, Prado, or any single individual. Probably had more to do with:

• Guild from PC Graal
• Seems exclusive
• Grew significantly when FB was released
• Leader is an adiam
• Won GSTs

Mostly the last point, because iClassic kids seem to care about it a lot. When Facebook first came to iClassic, any PC sparrers who stuck around had their nuts rode hard. I played the server for a week and went something like 800-50. Maintaining a 10:1+ record seemed easy as hell in that time. I can only imagine that winning a GST was, too. I was more involved in another game at the time and didn't stick around. The PC players who did stick around were some of the aforementioned US members, so their nuts collectively swelled in size for the community to ride upon.

In time, those players also eventually quit the server and have since been immortalized and that probably contributes a lot to the allure of them and to US. If you want to come up with a list of the best PC sparrers to ever play iClassic, they've literally all been in US.

Anyway, US was the best guild on iClassic when guilds seemed to really matter.  

Goat really blows things out of proportion, and keep bringing up the same points that I disprove with facts about the guild I am actually a part of... Goat, you realize Ruf wasn't staff when Ares started sparring? He began sparring on the Facebook server, and had about a 89-92 streak (one of those ) before his first loss. Nobody really noticed that much or cared for a while because it was a server with almost less players online than a PC server, and we all just laughed because we knew nobody would really be able to beat him. It really wasn't a big deal for anybody until the guild as a whole proved worth at GST. Momento Mori was the same way.

Although, US began gaining fame on the main server as the first GST rolled around because it rocketed up to the #1 guild spar score spot with Rufus, NiTe, Squirt, Stella, Albus, Unleash, Nadine, and Juggs. That was when I was asked to join the guild after I was rejected by another guild (that is still around today). I remember that it was a pretty big deal back then as well, because the guild was fresh and people knew they were PC players on iDevices. I mean, how could a bunch of newbies easily grab the #1 spot and uphold it?

Today, I think people just see that Rufus is staff and assume the guild is awesome. Pretty dumb ideology, but that seems to be some people's way of thinking. Ruf was staff on other servers while leading the guild, and just like Crono said, this server gave US the most popularity by far. I think that says something about the community as a whole, to be honest.  

Posted by Winter

Goat really blows things out of proportion, and keep bringing up the same points that I disprove with facts about the guild I am actually a part of... Goat, you realize Ruf wasn't staff when Ares started sparring?

I didn’t even know he was the leader of US until a month after I saw Rashhhuuuurrrddddd spar let alone if he was staff or not. I was under the impression that nite was the leader. That’s why I said rashuurrrdddd was the main reason people wanted to join in the beginning. When he started sparing in the main room the arena was packed. Everyone wanted to see who was this mysterious guy beating up on everyone.
Your points have no real value since 90% of your posts are biased. Im speaking from what I witnessed the statement ive made don’t affect me whatsoever so my posts are unbiased. Only because my details might be a lil off the overall picture is pretty accurate.
Heres another point that you will argue to the death even when you know it’s the truth. The separation of the GSTs was the reason Rufus decided to make a idevice team.

Posted by Winter

Although, US began gaining fame on the main server as the first GST rolled around because it rocketed up to the #1 guild spar score spot with Rufus, NiTe, Squirt, Stella, Albus, Unleash, Nadine, and Juggs. That was when I was asked to join the guild after I was rejected by another guild (that is still around today). I remember that it was a pretty big deal back then as well, because the guild was fresh and people knew they were PC players on iDevices. I mean, how could a bunch of newbies easily grab the #1 spot and uphold it?.

Lol you serious? You would be lucky if you could find 20 people that cared about guild spar score let alone knowing who was at the top.

Posted by Winter

Today, I think people just see that Rufus is staff and assume the guild is awesome.

Lol
They see it like magic and black n yellow. ATM I doubt theres many people that want to join because of its members. People want to join because theyre desperate to be next to Rufus.

Posted by Thallen

Anyway, R3drum was the best guild on iClassic when guilds seemed to really matter.

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US has only managed to be a top spar guild at one point or another  

Posted by GOAT

Heres another point that you will argue to the death even when you know it’s the truth. The separation of the GSTs was the reason Rufus decided to make a idevice team.

We decided we wanted to create a team to compete in the newly separated event, since the split essentially cut our guild in half. Rufus didn't decide to start finding recruits for it, though. The guild decided on it because we wanted to fully compete in the GST.

We then followed the same process we used before to recruit members, starting from carefully taking notes on players personality, attitude, and compatibility with current guild members.

Posted by GOAT

Lol you serious? You would be lucky if you could find 20 people that cared about guild spar score let alone knowing who was at the top.

Back then lol. Nowadays you are right, nobody cares. In 2010 and 2011, guild spar scores were all guilds had to judge spar skills, and I've been in multiple guilds with tons of different people that tried to earn the highest position possible. Guilds that felt this way include (but are not limited to) Momento Mori, no clu3, Swag City, SiB, Anubis, NkA, Valiance, ShAtTeReD, i69, and I LOVE SCUBAMANIA ITS AWESOME AND I LOVE IT GO SCUBAMANIA (renamed by Xor for vulgarity ). If you owned a guild or were a part of a guild that ever valued guild spar score, feel free to expand my list.

Posted by GOAT

Lol
They see it like magic and black n yellow. ATM I doubt theres many people that want to join because of its members. People want to join because theyre desperate to be next to Rufus.

That's not what I hear, and I actually get PM's from people asking to join our guild lol. Maybe you want to be near Rufus? Nobody else really seems to feel that way.

Posted by GOAT

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US has only managed to be a top spar guild at one point or another

R3druM was sorta fun, but again, just a bunch of friends sitting around at a tower for a really long time. The members were mainly part of other guilds as well, like Breakfast Club, ETM and SiB. US proved its reign of terror, and (against how I feel) really hasn't found a reason to come back to participate as a guild much recently.

What guild is Goat in? And what guilds has he been a part of in the past? He sounds like he claims to know everything, without question.  

Posted by GOAT

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US has only managed to be a top spar guild at one point or another

Comment doesn't make sense to me, as it would be implying that R3druM is still relevant today? Never knew that guild, only heard people praise it because they reached 1K fort hours, which will never resonate with me. Only thing I know is Shinta became terrified of the arena once PC players rolled through and took up Graal dating full-time. I only became active in 2012 but I don't recall them winning anything or sitting on any leaderboard spots. Maybe they were some amazing spar guild before 2011? I don't know.

Accomplishments "in time" mean nothing (IMO). I don't care if you were the first player to win 100K spars. I don't care if your tower guild hit 1K hours in a week. It's impressive only because you spent the required time and were dedicated to do it, not necessarily because you are a skilled player who has proven that you're smarter or better than others at something. You could be a 1:2 sparrer that spars for 12 hours per day and beat a 2:1 sparrer who spars for 5 hours per day to 10K spar wins because you had more time available. Big deal. Anyone with the right amount of resources can realistically accomplish those things. So, if that's any of the allure to a guild or a guild's member(s) then I don't respect or care about that.  

Posted by Crono

US got more "famous" on iClassic than it did on PC lol.

No one on iClassic would know that though. lmao  

Posted by Winter

We decided we wanted to create a team to compete in the newly separated event, since the split essentially cut our guild in half. Rufus didn't decide to start finding recruits for it, though. The guild decided on it because we wanted to fully compete in the GST.

Again my details were a lil off but the bigger picture of getting iphoners for the purpose of the gst were accurate.

Posted by Winter

Back then lol. Nowadays you are right, nobody cares. In 2010 and 2011, guild spar scores were all guilds had to judge spar skills, and I've been in multiple guilds with tons of different people that tried to earn the highest position possible. Guilds that felt this way include (but are not limited to) Momento Mori, no clu3, Swag City, SiB, Anubis, NkA, Valiance, ShAtTeReD, i69, and I LOVE SCUBAMANIA ITS AWESOME AND I LOVE IT GO SCUBAMANIA (renamed by Xor for vulgarity ). If you owned a guild or were a part of a guild that ever valued guild spar score, feel free to expand my list.

I started playing mid 2010 so I cant speak for the first half of the year. I didn’t hit the spar part of the game until jan 2011 and to what I remember guild sparing wasn’t really important. The only time guild spar would have people was when some admin said a guild needed a challenge. SiB and Anubis are the ones I remember that actually tried to guild spar.

Posted by Winter

That's not what I hear, and I actually get PM's from people asking to join our guild lol. Maybe you want to be near Rufus? Nobody else really seems to feel that way. .

I was working on the ultimate troll. Get within 100 paces of Rufus and TEA BAG the Tea man.
Only he can unite our land. (if you seen this movie you will get it) it’s a lol
Don’t get me wrong I respect him for what hes done for the server but I pride myself on not sucking up to people or being a follower. Im not like 90% of the community I can stand on my own.

Posted by Winter

R3druM was sorta fun, but again, just a bunch of friends sitting around at a tower for a really long time. The members were mainly part of other guilds as well, like Breakfast Club, ETM and SiB. US proved its reign of terror, and (against how I feel) really hasn't found a reason to come back to participate as a guild much recently..

R3drum was known for everything. Their leader was the best sparer until Kevin passed him. Overall most of them had good spar and pk stats. Destroyed towering when it was the hardest to get a tower. Thx to Lia they were the most popular guild ;p, they were the trend setters. Whatever Shinta did everyone else followed. Sh1t comet from US spent 2 years trying to be better than Shinta and that includes 1 year after Shinta went inactive.
But the best part about it and why I must give them credit is because they did it when it was a pretty even playing field. While US was a guild that had more than 30 years combined of experience and they had an uneven playing field to their favor. Iphone5 at least can compete with most pcs atm but when US “terrorized” (lol) graal iphone4s were not even close to be on a pc level.

Posted by Winter

What guild is Goat in? And what guilds has he been a part of in the past? He sounds like he claims to know everything, without question.

None Im what you call a lone ranger. I enjoy graal more by myself. The only guild I ever helped was HK. When I started helping them was to help my friend Bart. Once I met the people I realized that I actually like most of the members because it was the first guild where people actually had a fun conversation and wasn’t full with ******s. So I helped them to 1k out of my friendship with my girl BARTHOLOMEW KUMA. She was my #2 girl.
Ive been asked to multiple guilds and the only one I felt bad about declining was Ryo’s invitation. He was the sparer that I respected the most for his behavior.

Posted by Thallen

Anyway, US was the best guild on iClassic when guilds seemed to really matter.

Posted by Thallen

1.Comment doesn't make sense to me, as it would be implying that R3druM is still relevant today? Never knew that guild, only heard people praise it because they reached 1K fort hours, which will never resonate with me.
2.Only thing I know is Shinta became terrified of the arena once PC players rolled through and took up Graal dating full-time. I only became active in 2012 but I don't recall them winning anything or sitting on any leaderboard spots. Maybe they were some amazing spar guild before 2011? I don't know..

1. when guilds seemed to really matter. Are you saying that now is when guilds really matter, if not you were referring to as in the past. So that title goes to R3drum. Ask comet he was obsessed with Shinta for 2 years he will tell you. Tell him it was the days when he used to follow nite around like a lil pet.
2. let me guess you heard that from comet. Lol Rezon was a R3drum groupie she knows what Im talking about.
Woah that was a hard reply  

Posted by GOAT

R3drum was known for everything. Their leader was the best sparer until Kevin passed him. Overall most of them had good spar and pk stats. Destroyed towering when it was the hardest to get a tower. Thx to Lia they were the most popular guild ;p, they were the trend setters. Whatever Shinta did everyone else followed. Sh1t comet from US spent 2 years trying to be better than Shinta and that includes 1 year after Shinta went inactive.

Shinta was never really very great in my opinion. He was average. I don't think I ever lost to him more than once every three or four times I beat him. And there were always tons of people better than me. Kevin was always on top. Shinta has numbers on his profile, and that really doesn't speak to me. R3druM itself was, again, a group of friends. They all joked and behaved as a group, so it is only natural that they were "trend-setters" for other members. They had strong players to defend the towers for longer amounts of time, which worked towards the guilds success.

Keep in mind that this was the only guild at the time that wasn't composed of "perms" and "temps" and had no real allies/sub guilds. It had strong, dedicated members, and therefore had a large advantage over any other guild at the time. You may also remember the 4-digit codename guild, Anbu. That was fun as well, while it was essentially R3druM with a different name, made just for fun. It kind of died, though. I forget what my number was, too.

Posted by GOAT

But the best part about it and why I must give them credit is because they did it when it was a pretty even playing field. While US was a guild that had more than 30 years combined of experience and they had an uneven playing field to their favor. Iphone5 at least can compete with most pcs atm but when US “terrorized” (lol) graal iphone4s were not even close to be on a pc level.

True in a way, but US came when the playing field evened out as well. We just raised the bar. Once other guilds began growing and people started getting better at fighting these players with more experience (or skills rubbed off?), US had finally found some close matches right at the end of its heavy activity streak.

Posted by GOAT

Ive been asked to multiple guilds and the only one I felt bad about declining was Ryo’s invitation. He was the sparer that I respected the most for his behavior.

I've declined pretty much every major guild that still exists today except a select one or two. The only major guild leaders that I don't recall offering me a position were Clops and Thallen. Ryo is a very respectable person, and a really nice guy! I used to talk to him all the time, and we would guild spar with some other Japanese players every Saturday morning for a good year or so. This group of sparrers eventually gathered in Yocchi's guild, Momento Mori, for GST. Most of the members are gone, though.

Posted by GOAT

Don’t get me wrong I respect him for what hes done for the server but I pride myself on not sucking up to people or being a follower. Im not like 90% of the community I can stand on my own.

Are you saying me and my guildmates suck up to Rufus? He's a friend to us, why would we be his "followers" or suck up to him for anything? If you don't mean us, and you mean the Graalians not including US and you, I don't think anyone can speak for them except themselves.

Also, just because you aren't in a guild means that you are above 90% of the community? Do you mean that anyone who is a part of any guild lacks the ability to stand on their own?  

I am sad to hear that the earlier part of iClassic's sparring community was dominated by today's most well-known Graal *********s. Kevin is a good at sparring, but I can't ever imagine Shinta being good. There's a reason he avoids sparring. He's the type to call you a booster around his circle and friends and then refuse to spar you if you ask him about it.

I refuse to respect either of them because all I ever see them do is romancing underage Graal girls, and that's a little bit disgusting to me. If you asked me to try and make sense of it, I'd say those two were good sparrers early in the game's release because of their age. They probably had the mental capacity to understand the mechanics of sparring and how to use them to their advantage, so naturally it was probably easy to beat the 12-year-old girl with iCarly wallpaper. PCs (who are naturally older) came along and the game grew older and people got better at sparring. Kevin is no longer amazing and Shinta is non-existent. I don't even like Comyt and find it incredibly difficult to take his personality seriously, but he is better than both of them.  

Posted by Thallen

Pretty sure the attraction to US didn't really have anything to do with Prado

please, he ****ed everyone up, and was always a good sport.

#RIPPrado  

Who cares?why does this all matter? Lol