Simple Remodel for Spar Leaderboards - 6

Imprint · 03-17-2014

Generally people don't go from winning 1/4 games to losing 1/4 games in a short time. So, you wouldn't see something that drastic. W/L ratio is a perfect meter for skill, but it works to generally place someone.

Oj Fowler · 03-17-2014

Ratio is a good measure of ability but it's not only one, I spar around a 2:1 ratio but only just became positive, however the majority of sparrers don't go so negative as I did and if they do are usually just bad at spar and would most likely just quit.

Thallen · 03-17-2014

can't name a single player who went from horribly bad to amazingly good in the 10+ years that I've sparred

pretty sure sparring is just one of those things you either get or you don't
not exactly a very high skill cap to it and the learning curve isn't exactly steep

twilit · 03-18-2014

W-L Ratio alone is not a good measure... it includes all spars, not just recent spars; and it does not incorporate your opponent's skill.

If your W-L is 2-1, and you win a spar (3-1), your ratio increased 50%
If your W-L is 2000-1000, and you win a spar (2001-1000), your ratio increased 0.05%
Law of Large Numbers. More spars = less ratio change. Point being, its very difficult raise your ratio significantly the more you spar.

Zerxus · 03-18-2014

Hello I noticed the new spar score system on classic recently and I got a question.
I heard you cant lose points. So basically it's now the top 100 most active sparrers?
I mean if you are on all day sparring there is no way people like me who spars like 5-10 times / day can ever reach even close. Am I wrong?

GOAT · 03-19-2014

Posted by Zerxus

I mean if you are on all day sparring there is no way people like me who spars like 5-10 times / day can ever reach even close. Am I wrong?

WRONG!!!!
beat 7mood 10 times in a row and you get 800-1000 points for the day.

Thallen · 03-23-2014

Just confirming that this is still happening:

Colin · 03-23-2014

Yeah, I sparred on iDev and now every win I get on PC goes towards my iDev points .

Posted by Thallen

can't name a single player who went from horribly bad to amazingly good in the 10+ years that I've sparred

pretty sure sparring is just one of those things you either get or you don't
not exactly a very high skill cap to it and the learning curve isn't exactly steep

a lot of people have went from bad to good through practicing , but I don't think any of the players with a 4:1+ ratio were ever bad.

Oj Fowler · 03-23-2014

Are the wins on idev getting him points on both leaderboards or do all the points go into one leaderboard?

Colin · 03-23-2014

they all go into one.

Thallen · 03-23-2014

Posted by Oj Fowler

Are the wins on idev getting him points on both leaderboards or do all the points go into one leaderboard?

they're all going into one leaderboard, the leaderboard that he appeared first on
Nadine and Aguzo/Hikaru also have this same issue

Thallen · 03-23-2014

Another clarification/report: "When I spar on iDevice, it puts me on the iDevice board. If I spar on PC, my score accumulated on iDevice transfers to the PC board."

fp4 · 03-24-2014

Points should be added to the right platform/device now. Any points gained that were awarded to the wrong platform/device are stuck there.

Colin · 03-24-2014

I had 1000 points in the facebook bracket and lost them, bit irritating.

Thallen · 03-28-2014

Some more bugs for you:

"showrating" is now stuck at the same rating no matter how often you spar (only tested on PC).
When you used to view the leaderboard, you'd be taken to the appropriate leaderboard based on your device (for example, Facebook players would immediately see the Facebook board). Now, everyone sees the iDevice board by default. It only needs fixed for PC players.
This is just an aesthetic change, but maybe you should increase the margin/padding on the scores, because a lot of people have reached a 5-digit number and it's so ugly that they're resorting to doing it themselves:

Thanks for everything so far.

03-17-2014	77
Oj Fowler Registered User Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 22	Ratio is a good measure of ability but it's not only one, I spar around a 2:1 ratio but only just became positive, however the majority of sparrers don't go so negative as I did and if they do are usually just bad at spar and would most likely just quit. Last edited by Oj Fowler; 03-17-2014 at 10:40 PM. Reason: Didn't make sense

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Thallen Enguard & Alumni Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 5,773	Some more bugs for you: "showrating" is now stuck at the same rating no matter how often you spar (only tested on PC). When you used to view the leaderboard, you'd be taken to the appropriate leaderboard based on your device (for example, Facebook players would immediately see the Facebook board). Now, everyone sees the iDevice board by default. It only needs fixed for PC players. This is just an aesthetic change, but maybe you should increase the margin/padding on the scores, because a lot of people have reached a 5-digit number and it's so ugly that they're resorting to doing it themselves: Thanks for everything so far.

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Imprint Registered User Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 1,992	Generally people don't go from winning 1/4 games to losing 1/4 games in a short time. So, you wouldn't see something that drastic. W/L ratio is a perfect meter for skill, but it works to generally place someone.

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twilit michael Join Date: May 2012 Location: Hyrule Posts: 3,511	W-L Ratio alone is not a good measure... it includes all spars, not just recent spars; and it does not incorporate your opponent's skill. If your W-L is 2-1, and you win a spar (3-1), your ratio increased 50% If your W-L is 2000-1000, and you win a spar (2001-1000), your ratio increased 0.05% Law of Large Numbers. More spars = less ratio change. Point being, its very difficult raise your ratio significantly the more you spar.

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Zerxus Level Designer Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Sweden Posts: 161	Hello I noticed the new spar score system on classic recently and I got a question. I heard you cant lose points. So basically it's now the top 100 most active sparrers? I mean if you are on all day sparring there is no way people like me who spars like 5-10 times / day can ever reach even close. Am I wrong?

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Thallen Enguard & Alumni Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 5,773	Just confirming that this is still happening:

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Colin Registered User Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 3,204	they all go into one.

03-24-2014	88
fp4 maymay ambassador Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,508	Points should be added to the right platform/device now. Any points gained that were awarded to the wrong platform/device are stuck there.