Developers really only have the freedom to do small things like bug fixes without approval. Pretty sure anything major has to be passed through the manager and/or Unix (i dont really know).

Rufus seemed to support the day/night system idea. And right before he left, he said something about working on a guild revamp. So its not like devs are opposed to ideas.

And then there are the ideas that are, yes, good ideas, but not fit for Classic.  

Totally agree Admiral. Graalonline classic is not some huge MMO like blizzard with a team of developers working on pushing an update, Classic has literally only a few developers. A FEW. Do you not realize how hard it would be trying to push content out every season without payment and their lives getting in the way?

Anyhow, most of the suggestions from players in Graalians want big content, which takes a lot of time make  

Posted by Ash Ketchum

Totally agree Admiral. Graalonline classic is not some huge MMO like blizzard with a team of developers working on pushing an update, Classic has literally only a few developers. A FEW. Do you not realize how hard it would be trying to push content out every season without payment and their lives getting in the way?

Anyhow, most of the suggestions from players in Graalians want big content, which takes a lot of time make

ok another person who hasn't seemed to grasp the viewpoint I was attempting to express.

The suggestions are mixed, many are actually small yet would make a world of difference, such as reorganizing the guild system. Which has been requested forever.
I nowhere said content needed to be pumped out faster, or "every season". I didn't say anything like that. I was curious why the content never seems to reflect what has been requested- instead, taking on a quite random existence.  

Posted by Crono

List some great ideas that have been posted here.

Well i mean.. The bees that are in the game now

http://www.graalians.com/forums/show...ighlight=hive#  

Posted by Kendama

ok another person who hasn't seemed to grasp the viewpoint I was attempting to express.

You're saying that devs should focus on creating content of what the players want? right? Well what the players want is content that would take a lot of time. Fishing for example, and making fishing UI quality and bug tested takes a lot of time which developers don't have.

There, i simplified if for you, since you cant understand basic English.  

The truth about future improvements is if you want them so bad make them your self, writing information about it on the forums is much easier than actually developing it especially when y'all suggest so many new ideas thinking staff can produce them in a day or something.

I forget who it was but someone said the way Graal was developed, implementing new features often requires changing a lot of the core mechanics which just makes it even harder.  

Here's the problem: A game which generates revenue is relying on VOLUNTEERS. Maybe this game and company would actually evolve if they invested in ONE full-time paid developer. I'm fairly certain that an update like looting would take less than two weeks for someone working full-time on it. This will never happen though, because Toonslab is a corporation that's lacking in intelligence.  

Posted by Ash Ketchum

You're saying that devs should focus on creating content of what the players want? right? Well what the players want is content that would take a lot of time. Fishing for example, and making fishing UI quality and bug tested takes a lot of time which developers don't have.

There, i simplified if for you, since you cant understand basic English.

You still don't understand, and knowing I am way ahead of pretty much everyone my age and older, I will stick to my gut in the fact that I am not the one creating miscommunication.

There is not much of a practical reason for most of the updates that have been scripted for the past several years. As I said earlier, bug catching and looting is the only thoroughly good updates i've seen. That proves staff can, with time, push out promising content.

It doesn't make sense to work on small projects nobody really ends up caring about instead of working on some of the most popular and practical ideas that the players themselves seem to agree on. Some are giant projects, some aren't.

If dev's have time to put into small and, sorry to offend, pointless content.... well it would make more sense to many of us who want to see the game move forward as if they put that time into contributing to... shall I say, three dimensional content? Not in the visual context, but the content context.

Posted by Admiral

my face when

But since it's a serious thread, i'll try and give a serious answer (though Drea has pretty much covered it)

Basically as you know staff are players too, so ofc we want the same thing, all these sort of updates but imo, there are factors that get in the way and prevent projects from being finished.

- iClassic has dug itself into a 4 year - long hole with unfinished projects, hence why all the 'unfinished' content. It remains unfinished cuz people leave, people want to do something else, the project gets delayed etc.

- The projects that do go on behind the scenes, most of the staff are completely unaware of, we can sort of guess depending on what gets asked from us but only a few know the entire picture, so anyone who says to 'ask an admin' chances are that admin may be as clueless as the player.

- Our updates are slow, but no doubt that when they are released they are of incredibly high standards. iClassic is a server of quality, not quantity.

- Hat shops and hat updates are gralat sinks to keep Unix happy while real work does get done, and ofc the Graphic staff of the server do enjoy seeing their work being used as well.

- And lastly (I think) the server is managed by people who have played Classic for longer than some Graalians have lived, they have the experience and that holds value to why they release things and delay others, while it may look good on one side of the fence it could be a complete different story on the other side.

Idk how to tl;dr this really, just my opinions both as staff and as a player.

This did a pretty well job of explaining it from a staff perspective. While I can disagree on some, it is plausible. Much better than your explanation, ash ketchum, which wasn't really accurate against what I was trying to talk about.  

Posted by Crono

List some great ideas that have been posted here.

http://www.graalians.com/forums/show...light=Wishlist  

how to improve classic

1.Learn to be good at something in development(gani,graphics,Leveling ,scripting ect.)
2.Ask xor to join the staff team and show him your work
3.Become close with unix and xor
4.Suggest ideas to him
5.give unixmad a loaf of bread

And your in power  

Posted by Sardon

how to improve classic

1.Learn to be good at something in development(gani,graphics,Leveling ,scripting ect.)
2.Ask xor to join the staff team and show him your work
3.Become close with unix and xor
4.Suggest ideas to him
5.give unixmad a loaf of bread

And your in power

And some of this
https://twitter.com/DownGraalSquad

Also im working on one two three four and five  

Posted by Fire Surge

Here's the problem: A game which generates revenue is relying on VOLUNTEERS.

Yup.

Posted by Fire Surge

Maybe this game and company would actually evolve if they invested in ONE full-time paid developer. I'm fairly certain that an update like looting would take less than two weeks for someone working full-time on it.

Yup.

Posted by Fire Surge

This will never happen though, because Toonslab is a corporation that's lacking in intelligence.

Nope.

Insulting them isn't going to bring about change. Maybe you're the dummy for not seeing their business strategy's brilliance? If it wasn't suiting their needs as a company (or if their playerbase suddenly vanished) they would probably make drastic changes.  

We do read the feedback here and have made updates or changes to things we are developing based on it.  

Posted by fp4

We do read the feedback here and have made updates or changes to things we are developing based on it.

Was waiting for this. If someone else didn't say it, I was going to.  

Posted by fp4

We do read the feedback here and have made updates or changes to things we are developing based on it.

I know some ideas have been listened to. Compared to other servers, though, classic seems to go in their own direction, which is usually not what the players are asking for.

I've been here 4 years, so I know what has been requested a lot. I also know the updates that have happened. I know ALOT of updates nobody wanted that obviously took time that could had been spent better.