Posted by Chun

pretty sure many people reported us when the speed hacking rumors were at its prime, the fact that none of us got banned should prove more than enough.




thats a false statement, no one is 100% correct, especially with the average age of the admins we have right now. People can even get in jail for doing nothing irl, I dont see how graal can be 100% perfect at banning.

Didn't say it was 100% perfect. But hacking/cheating reason in specific is one that the admins themselves hardly have to detect, as I'm pretty sure there are mechanisms in place to do it for them. Now when you inevitably reply restating what you just said again, it will be like trying to argue against the results of a calculator (if you don't get the relationship there, the gist is that you can't win that argument). If I'm wrong and the admins don't have mechanisms like this to look at then someone please correct me, as that changes things.

Again Ruppy, this isn't about friendship. Still fine with you as a person. But something is obviously up.

And Chun, by your logic that you just stated, you entirely contradicted your point. "well we were reported and not banned so there we didn't do it." "But the Graal ban system is wack and there are things that go unchecked and unfair bans all the time"

HMMMMMM  

I've playing for around...4 years(? maybe) and i was only banned once...and that was my fault.Point being,you don't get banned out of nowhere.You ust be doing something obviously.  

Is it me or does every member of a spar guild always seem to have beef with each other?  

I know what you mean striken lol it's hard to be loved by other guilds but hey I'm open to more friends guys! Just you gotta be open minded and prepared for da truth >:0

Actually Fulgore Chun and Maxy were nerbanned and and chun cannot reply right now his power is out and tbh you are right something is up I am banned for 0 reason lol  

Posted by Fulgore

Didn't say it was 100% perfect.

And Chun, by your logic that you just stated, you entirely contradicted your point. "well we were reported and not banned so there we didn't do it." "But the Graal ban system is wack and there are things that go unchecked and unfair bans all the time"

HMMMMMM

if you dont think its 100% perfect then you shouldnt just assume ruppy and others are banned for a legit reason.

i doubt the detecting system do all of the work about hacking/cheating ban(maybe most of it, but not all), human are involved sometimes especially when you submit a ticket for appeal. True, it can detect hacks with high accuracy, but at the end of the day it is still programmed by a human and it can be flawed. Is it really considered hacking/cheating or not is a big problem.

about the contradicting part, you must be really optimistic. It is a totally different story. Us not getting banned has at least 2 processes. First, the detector that u highly trust didnt detect any speed hack. Then secondly, admins check us personally and still can not detect it.

also mbk, you should not judge the whole thing from your personal experience, which is like 1/1000000 of graal.  

Posted by Striken

Is it me or does every member of a spar guild always seem to have beef with each other?

Welcome to the spar community.  

Posted by Craftz

Welcome to the spar community.

Yeah ask Craftz all about it he's really involved.

Posted by Chun

if you dont think its 100% perfect then you shouldnt just assume ruppy and others are banned for a legit reason.

i doubt the detecting system do all of the work about hacking/cheating ban(maybe most of it, but not all), human are involved sometimes especially when you submit a ticket for appeal. True, it can detect hacks with high accuracy, but at the end of the day it is still programmed by a human and it can be flawed. Is it really considered hacking/cheating or not is a big problem.

about the contradicting part, you must be really optimistic. It is a totally different story. Us not getting banned has at least 2 processes. First, the detector that u highly trust didnt detect any speed hack. Then secondly, admins check us personally and still can not detect it.

also mbk, you should not judge the whole thing from your personal experience, which is like 1/1000000 of graal.

All I did was point out the contradiction. If you think there are flaws then you very well could have been banned but got lucky. Maybe Ruppy was innocent and you were guilty, or vice versa. Now based on your logic you pick which one of those scenarios you like best for your next comment.

Also, what happened to quitting Graal Chun?

Also #2, the issue with this is that people are going to blindly stick up for their guild without knowing the scenario at all. If someone like Craftz or Comyt or GOAT had something happen to them that was unfair I'd fight for them, despite past disputes. Similarly, there are people in Alumni who I definitely acknowledge have done things in the past and since then have changed. (There's another ticket to repent Ruppy). People need to start looking at actual facts presented instead of blindly supporting their friends because that's how things like this happen. The lot of people who do this would be a hell of a lot more likable if they took this approach, assuming they care about things like that.

Inb4 someone accuses me of always sticking up for Alumni, but it's because 95% of the time any nitpicked thing against us has the facts all wrong and uses baseless insults and things of the sort, not that people will actually believe that because everyone loves to get on the hate train to try to make senpai notice them.  

Posted by Fulgore

Yeah ask Craftz all about it he's really involved.



All I did was point out the contradiction. If you think there are flaws then you very well could have been banned but got lucky. Maybe Ruppy was innocent and you were guilty, or vice versa. Now based on your logic you pick which one of those scenarios you like best for your next comment.

Also, what happened to quitting Graal Chun?

Also #2, the issue with this is that people are going to blindly stick up for their guild without knowing the scenario at all. If someone like Craftz or Comyt or GOAT had something happen to them that was unfair I'd fight for them, despite past disputes. Similarly, there are people in Alumni who I definitely acknowledge have done things in the past and since then have changed. (There's another ticket to repent Ruppy). People need to start looking at actual facts presented instead of blindly supporting their friends because that's how things like this happen. The lot of people who do this would be a hell of a lot more likable if they took this approach, assuming they care about things like that.

Inb4 someone accuses me of always sticking up for Alumni, but it's because 95% of the time any nitpicked thing against us has the facts all wrong and uses baseless insults and things of the sort, not that people will actually believe that because everyone loves to get on the hate train to try to make senpai notice them.

my preference doesnt really matter. All i did was pointing out systems are flawed and innocent people can be banned.

however, you seem to like the "both me and ruppy are guilty" scenario judging from the posts you posted on this thread(which is like half of all the posts here)

im here because it seems like someone is assuming ruppy is hacking

lets not get into trust issue thing again, I never said ruppy must be innocent. As i said earlier, innocent people can be banned. He might hv done something that somehow can be considered "hacking/cheating"  

Posted by Fulgore

Inb4 someone accuses me of always sticking up for Alumni, but it's because 95% of the time any nitpicked thing against us has the facts all wrong and uses baseless insults and things of the sort, not that people will actually believe that because everyone loves to get on the hate train to try to make senpai notice them.

Funny thing is you still believe they speed even though they don't. The only conversations I can recall between you and (GTEAM) as a guild have been about Maxy and Chun speeding. You may or may not be fine with them as a person, but you're on the hate train aswell.  

Why is one guild that has someone with a shady af history on graal accusing others who have worked their butts off to get to where they are now?  

I've personally never said that I think any of them speed, but I think it's pretty stupid that some are claiming that there's some form of proof that they don't. Just because they haven't been banned? Well, there's no automated method of detecting speed hackers anymore, and none of you should trust the by-the-eye judgment of a 14-year-old staff member who has never sparred before in their life.

I know for a fact there are people who speed in spars outside of any member of GTEAM, and I'm 99% sure they will never get banned because there will never be a conclusive way to pin it on the players who are speedhacking at 1-10%, or anything that isn't blatantly obvious. I don't even give a **** if people speed anymore, the ones who do it still suck anyway.  

Posted by Ding

Funny thing is you still believe they speed even though they don't. The only conversations I can recall between you and (GTEAM) as a guild have been about Maxy and Chun speeding. You may or may not be fine with them as a person, but you're on the hate train aswell.

Don't hate them as people. I just point out their actions which shouldn't be condoned. If they stopped after they initially were called out then that's fantastic and I respect them. But I have no idea if they did or not, and now they've soiled their own rep. They're good people who did bad things, and if they would just own up to it they'd get infinitely more respect as well as forgiveness from everyone.  

Posted by Fulgore

Don't hate them as people. I just point out their actions which shouldn't be condoned. If they stopped after they initially were called out then that's fantastic and I respect them. But I have no idea if they did or not, and now they've soiled their own rep. They're good people who did bad things, and if they would just own up to it they'd get infinitely more respect as well as forgiveness from everyone.

what you said in bold doesnt match up with rest of the paragraph lol

if you really have no idea did we hack or not, have you ever considered what if we didnt? how are we supposed to get forgiveness from people or gain respect?

most of your posts revolves about we speed hacking when it comes to GTEAM related, it really doesnt seem like you are indifferent about we speed hack or not.  

Posted by Fulgore

Don't hate them as people. I just point out their actions which shouldn't be condoned. If they stopped after they initially were called out then that's fantastic and I respect them. But I have no idea if they did or not, and now they've soiled their own rep. They're good people who did bad things, and if they would just own up to it they'd get infinitely more respect as well as forgiveness from everyone.

In retrospective let's say you were accused of committing a crime in real life, to get their "reputation" back they had to own up to things they didn't do. Of course, that's a bit of an extreme example since this is just a game. But do you get what I'm saying?  

Posted by Chun

what you said in bold doesnt match up with rest of the paragraph lol

if you really have no idea did we hack or not, have you ever considered what if we didnt? how are we supposed to get forgiveness from people or gain respect?

It was clear to more people than just me that it happened at at least a point in time, even if it was a very small point. I'm not active on the client and on the tab looking to really watch much to see if it continued or didn't. Vague wording before, my fault.

Was trying to say that if you did indeed stop, then there is a lot more respect to be had for you, but the fact that it happened at a point will have a lot of people not convinced (not myself).

Regarding the knowledge of Thallen on the lack of an automated detection system, that changes things a bit for Ruppy. The eye of humans, much less inexperienced admins can certainly falter, so its possible that it was indeed inaccurate, since no automated system was used. However, that does mean that it's possible that other slight speeding was disregarded in the past.

Posted by Ding

In retrospective let's say you were accused of committing a crime in real life, to get their "reputation" back they had to own up to things they didn't do. Of course, that's a bit of an extreme example since this is just a game. But do you get what I'm saying?

It's like pleading guilty to get less time instead of pleading innocent, losing the case, and getting more.