Posted by Dusty

So much complaining about mob PKing in this thread... how does anyone propose to fix it?

Don't feel pressured to "fix" that people prefer to play the game a different way than others... The only instance in which it'd ever need to be changed is if it's actually affecting the experience of new players. Those riots that crowd the bridge and trap new players, that's lame, but trying to prevent players PKing in groups is dumb to me.  

Posted by Thallen

Don't feel pressured to "fix" that people prefer to play the game a different way than others... The only instance in which it'd ever need to be changed is if it's actually affecting the experience of new players. Those riots that crowd the bridge and trap new players, that's lame, but trying to prevent players PKing in groups is dumb to me.

If I were a new player I would immediately delete the game lol  

Posted by Thallen

Don't feel pressured to "fix" that people prefer to play the game a different way than others... The only instance in which it'd ever need to be changed is if it's actually affecting the experience of new players. Those riots that crowd the bridge and trap new players, that's lame, but trying to prevent players PKing in groups is dumb to me.

*shrug* I just find it cheap from the perspective as a player and staff. As a player I find it completely defeats the purpose of dying and instead just turns it into a mindless button mashing competition until you get bored. As staff it seems like the absolute worst kind of gameplay to provide players with and it devalues the statistics as you just sit in one spot for an hour+ spamming sword since as soon as you die touching anything puts you right back where you were to keep going until again, you get bored of smashing the sword key.

But that's just my opinion. Players hate it because it would make their kills++ harder to get.  

Posted by Thallen

Don't feel pressured to "fix" that people prefer to play the game a different way than others... The only instance in which it'd ever need to be changed is if it's actually affecting the experience of new players. Those riots that crowd the bridge and trap new players, that's lame, but trying to prevent players PKing in groups is dumb to me.

Why don't they have designated pk zones then , if people really want to pk away from towers they can pk in places away from buildings meaning people can actually access them without dying 50 times , designated as pk zones.
Even better they could have you spawn outside the zone when u die , so u actually have to go back in and start pking again , rather than standing still and spamming sword and only using arrows to get up when they die.
This would at least make things a little more competitive and skill based and definitely bring the pking away from bridges and buildings if they just disabled sword outside  

Posted by Alex R

Why don't they have designated pk zones then

I don't know, I've been asking and wondering that since I started here. The adoption center used to be a PK level, no one used it. No one uses the war room in the arena. Never really understood why there isn't some designated PK area with obstacles and a respawn point, etc.  

Posted by Dusty

*shrug* I just find it cheap from the perspective as a player and staff. As a player I find it completely defeats the purpose of dying and instead just turns it into a mindless button mashing competition until you get bored. As staff it seems like the absolute worst kind of gameplay to provide players with and it devalues the statistics as you just sit in one spot for an hour+ spamming sword since as soon as you die touching anything puts you right back where you were to keep going until again, you get bored of smashing the sword key.

But that's just my opinion. Players hate it because it would make their kills++ harder to get.

I would much rather have them be out in the field then at MoD's door.

I can say that I've given up caring much about it, since it won't change at the moment. I wanted to compete on the leaderboard, but since it's 90% mob pkers who get thousands of kills in the time where I get 500, I have given up on that. My only hope for climbing is that they don't have the stamina.

Not that im calling anyone out, but I can tell who has mob pk'ed and who hasn't. The skill level difference you see between someone who has gotten 100k at towers or even just pking in the field out of the mobs and someone who has used mobs to get to 100k, the difference is profound. Some of them spar so it is harder to tell, but it is noticeable. Knowing where to move in specific towers comes with time spent, sparring can't teach you that.

Though not being on the leaderboard makes me pk for fun, which is how it should be.


Edit: thinking on it more, a possible solution would be an a board that takes kills - deaths and sends out the result that way. That would make being in a mob detrimental to your leaderboard spot.

One argument that I'll argue against(though no one has presented yet) "what about those who arrow into mobs? There ratio would be high"

Yes it would be, but there would be no point for making the mob in the first place(unless they were going for total kills).

Heck, maybe even display that on the profile instead. You could say "showkills" to see your pure kills, just like show deaths.

The only issue I see is those who gain deaths by Bking. Sparring you could just add the spar death total back, or just minus deaths by spar losses. Bking would have to either be addressed or ignored.

Though people would complain about their total kills dropping.  

Posted by Chun

I don't see the new leaderboard changes anything for the people who can not invest alot of time on graal, since the score is calculated the exact same way. The only thing changed is now they will reward the people who invest the most time on graal.

It does encourage people to spar, but they will eventually go back to normal as they realize they have to constantly spar alot daily to compete with the people with the most free time. And of course, it still discourage people to start late in the season. The same goes for pk and bk.

You da real MVP! Couldn't agree more...


P.S. Fix the GS leaderboards already omfg...  

There's a huge riot by Angel Clan and looks like it may transition to the bridge  

Posted by Dusty

So much complaining about mob PKing in this thread... how does anyone propose to fix it? 'Cause the mere mention of implementing respawns sends everyone into a furious rage. Yet respawning exactly where you died with absolutely no punishment is what's causing mob PKing.

Tower pking only or make these areas with 25+ people invisible  

Posted by Thallen

You're proving my point though:


You used the Anyu example, well Anyu getting her all-time kills is completely different from when Xenthic got his. He got his when less people played and when mobs were less popular, making it a lot more difficult. Comparing 2 completely different frames of time like that with some leaderboard is unfair to both of them. Even a year is probably too much, I'm glad it's seasonal at the highest. I personally don't care if they show all-time statistics, but I just think it's skewed.

I don't see how I'm proving your point. You compared the all-time list with the first to reach X amount of stats as being the same. I explained why I don't see it that way. Not arguing the validity of the all-time list or it's meaning, what I'm saying is that's not the same as the first to reach list.

As for the stats from different eras being different to acquired is nonsense. EP got 10k in 2011, so I don't see how can the argument be that today people are able to get more kills. He spent like half a year getting 2k plus. Xenthic became a pkr after the leader board was release along with 90% of the old all-time board and they made it very easy to get kills since most of them were pk'ng mod. Maybe there was a small window frame between when the outside of mod became non-pk and the birth of mob pk'ng where it was harder to get kills, but it wasn't a long period.

Posted by Thallen

What do you mean? This is the exact same leaderboard as the one we had just a week ago. It's just that they finally added the whole of the suggestion rather then parts of it.

Posted by Thallen

Pretty good example here of how points aren't as dumb as whoever spars the most... As we can see, the HK guy is a noob hunter who spars players negative players on average (there's literally no way to do that "accidentally"), whereas Fabulous has sparred 300 less times and has over than 1000 more points

Posted by MikvaGraal

Still wondering why ppl have twice my wins and less then my points

To you the leader board might not be any better. You want a leader board that represents "skill", but for everybody else, now they have a way to brag over another sparer. Not to mentioned a player can spar for a day and "show" his dominance instead of feeling like they have to no life it.

Posted by Alex R

Okay first of all this has definitely made sparring more competitive now and as much as I dislike the idea of pc and idev together it makes sense.

As for pk.. well the long term motivation for most pkers was the all time top 100. This new leaderboard doesn't encourage anything different except no life mob boosting.
Yesterday about 8-9 people got 3k plus pks and one guy got 7k (most of which was done in about 2 hours). How does this encourage more competition? People could come on 2 days late after season starts and see the season leaderboards are topped by someone with 15k after 2 days...Yeah like that's gonna motivate someone to pk more than a top 100 which u can work your way up to and chase. Even if I was on 6 hours a day and no life pkd I doubt I'd ever get top 3, because top 3 now belongs to the mob boosters.
An award every 3 months for the most active players does not compare to The achievement of getting into the top 100 and working your way up.
At least an all time pk leader board motivated determined pkers who have been pking for a long ass time (for nothing now) . This new leader board just encourages people with nothing to do for 3 months to get a ridiculous amount of pks and claim an award at the end of it when all they did was watch tv while spamming the sword button on their screen.
Bring back the old system for pks , or find a way to add an all time and don't say that the sh**ty little book with the top 10 that will never get updated makes up for it.

Doubt my opinion really matters but this is the worst update there has been. My favourite part about the game has gone. Please bring back the old pk leaderboards. Ik for a fact most of the other top 100 and the real tower pkers agree with me

Let me ask you a question. Say they read this and go you know what "He's right let me bring the all-time board back" What will be the point? In a year the all-time top 25 is going to be filled with reward chasers.

Let it be known that I the mighty GOAT came up with the phrase reward chasers. Screw these noobs, they're not real pkrs they're reward chasers. Take that to the first person who said hat chasers.

Posted by Thallen

Didn't the old leaderboard do the same thing, except not for 3 months, but for all-time? I don't understand the argument...
I feel like a lot of people in this thread complaining are just making illogical, selfish arguments because they want permanent validation of an all-time leaderboard. That's fine, but stating it as anything else doesn't make sense to me.

How is it any different from players that want temporary validation for being the most "skilled" sparer. Also, like I mentioned earlier if the rewards are good the leader board will probably change drastically if they put it somewhere in the library. I guess we can agree that it's pointless to complain about it since most of the people crying will be moved from the list anyways.

Posted by Dusty

So much complaining about mob PKing in this thread... how does anyone propose to fix it? 'Cause the mere mention of implementing respawns sends everyone into a furious rage. Yet respawning exactly where you died with absolutely no punishment is what's causing mob PKing.

Ez whoever doesn't get a end of season reward gets a crying gani as a consolation prize.

Posted by Zideruic

At the end of the day isn't it the people that spend the most of their day on this games the ones that deserve the prize anyway? Since they are dedicating more of their lives to attain that goal? That's sort of a large part of what a leaderboard is.

It seems like a lot of people are just complaining because the changes don't benefit them on a personal level.

people shouldn't be awarded for playing, but if somebody is willing to contribute X amount of hours of "mindless" activity for a reward let them have it.  

Posted by Dusty

*shrug* I just find it cheap from the perspective as a player and staff. As a player I find it completely defeats the purpose of dying and instead just turns it into a mindless button mashing competition until you get bored. As staff it seems like the absolute worst kind of gameplay to provide players with and it devalues the statistics as you just sit in one spot for an hour+ spamming sword since as soon as you die touching anything puts you right back where you were to keep going until again, you get bored of smashing the sword key.

But that's just my opinion. Players hate it because it would make their kills++ harder to get.

Couldnt have explained this better.

Posted by Dusty

So much complaining about mob PKing in this thread... how does anyone propose to fix it? 'Cause the mere mention of implementing respawns sends everyone into a furious rage. Yet respawning exactly where you died with absolutely no punishment is what's causing mob PKing.

++ I still support warping respawns.  

I was too lazy to read what everybody posted but If you check my posts or have ever talked to me about leaderboards, I've been saying we should have this exact system for about... 2 years now. Shout out to all the people who said "Qes the staff would never do this, think about all the hours pkers with 100k+ who put into the old leaderboard" HAA. Even feedbacked this idea a few times. Wonder if they heard my idea or somebody out there is just as smart as me lmfao  

Tried out mob pking recently, Honestly have no idea why people care about what others do over a video game. It's almost like some of you people are obsessed with staying on the leader board when it does not even show who the most skilled "pker" is anyway, It's literally a board to show who is the most active and who pks for the longest periods of time.

Its the exact same with sparring, I'm placed 7th or 8th for seasonal points, if I win 10 spars I gain around 150 points. Now think about how many wins me as someone going for 20k wins or someone chasing 10k wins ends up getting a day. I could win 200-300 in a day and make up a tonne of points. Once again showing who is the most active and who spends most of their time in game sparring.

None of these boards reflect skill it only reflects activity.

Also the guild spar leaderboard needs to be changed again. Or go ahead and seed guilds according to their gst placements.  

wants easy pk and/or wins, complains when no skill needed (not directed at anyone)

hmm  

Posted by Bryan*

There's a huge riot by Angel Clan and looks like it may transition to the bridge

Are you... forecasting pk mobs?