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Hyrule Knights
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Location: In your head 24/7
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Now, I haven't been an admin on Classic but I was on Delteria and I am pretty sure most of the procedures for banning and warnings work in a similar manner. We always had evidence to justify banning a player, and because Delteria was a PC server we mainly had to deal with people who would hack/cheat. We always had evidence that they did what they did, even for things like harassment and inappropriate behavior what they said/did was logged and accessible. If you get banned for hacking and you truly did not do it and there was a lack of evidence to prove it then it gets overturned, which has happened before on almost every server. The only other scenario here is that there is evidence to prove it so it is not getting overturned, if this is the case you don't need evidence because you know what you did. |
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Bloodvayne
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looks like graalians need to get themselves a blackbox.
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cute frog
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Verified ✔️
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: M.I.A
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Don't pay mind to the robot above. It's programmed with an automated message of the usual responses. It sometimes malfunctions and doesn't know anything.
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Verified ✔️
Join Date: Nov 2014
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@Yog, I like salt on my fries thanks for displaying that. Majority of games supply evidence whether it's small or on a large scale of an offense. I'd still want the report system that Era uses implemented to Classic. As towards Toonslab, it wouldn't hurt to provide something to the concerned player with details to ease their dissatisfaction. |
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Join Date: May 2013
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I actually got a bunch of rep for both of those posts ![]() Maybe you just lack the stop bit... part. So what if he used a copy paste? How does that effect you? If albie didn't do anything bad, then all he has to do is file a ticket. CM person is just explaining that. Maybe he used a copy paste (if he did), because there might be rules allowing only pre-written responses towards players complaining about a ban. Calling someone a robot or whatever is pretty ignorant. It might just be the way they are told to handle these types of situations. |
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Strange
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Washington
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Some bans are very easy to provide evidence for. Inappropriate names, statuses, pm histories, etc. are able to be logged. When it comes to things like that, staff almost always have evidence to back it up. However, when it comes to situations like hacking, purposefully blocking paths, etc. the staff members have no way of logging what they player is doing (at least they didn't when I was staff). The GP use their best judgement and take action that way. Usually they will provide a small explanation of what was happening and why the player deserved the ban in the account log. When players appeal bans, the person in charge of appeals will look through the player's log and see what the issue was. More times than not the person in charge of appeals will believe the GP over the player, so if a reason for the ban was given and it sounds believable then the player will most likely remain banned.
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Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2014
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I'm going to guess that they would never guarantee a reason due to legal liability issues. It would be extremely difficult to be able to pay enough GPs, on a professional level, to be on 24/7. When you're working with volunteers, you can't guarantee their behavior because there is very little realized risk to being an asshole at that point in most peoples' lives (~14yo), and especially because volunteers, particularly minors, don't depend on a paycheck. Therefore, you're going to get a significant amount of false positives, and you can't provide any reason for anyone to place fault on you because that creates a potential argument for legal liability. I imagine it would cost more money than otherwise to officially support the requirement of providing evidence of volunteer staff members.
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Banned
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Australia
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https://s3.amazonaws.com/static.carthrottle.com/workspace/uploads/comments/2015/05/triple_facepalm-554e2329b2915.jpg (Unsupported image host) That's like going to the police station saying albie killed his mother when his mother is clearly fine and arresting him without any evidence . |
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betflip me nerd
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Location: Georgia
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