Posted by Crono

Because Classic is about preserving traditional gameplay and this one off race thing, which they got rid of after having it for less than a year, isn't a part of that goal.

This has nothing to do with the race thing.  

Posted by Crono

yas my specialty is burning ur weeb manga comics :3

 

Posted by Vladamir Blackthorne

Can there be a quest to get a lizardon morph? It could be the first morph to be able to be used in combat. You could choose either the sword wielding basic lizardon, which can use a high power sword attack and short range fire breath, or the "Dragon", the variant of lizardon lacking weapons but has a powerful long ranged fire blast attack.

A side quest could be done to get both, and another sidequest could be done to upgrade to a more powerful version of one of the morphs. An upgraded lizardon gains faster movement, basically giving a temporary level 3 shield. The dragon could gain a cane of brugaria (I think I spelled that right) style fireball attack that does the powerful jolt bomb explosion, and a melee claw attack useful for knocking foes back so you don't get caught in your own jolt blasts.

To balance out the power of these morphs, they could use the stamina meter like the level 2 lantern, and cannot be reused until you fully regain your stamina, which drains over the time you use the morph. Lizardon morph lasts about 2 minutes, dragon lasts 1. You also cannot grab or go through doors.

No, no, nononononono.

Elaboration; classic as a game strives to maintain a good balance of players, as in you can't be above a noob player in stats or items, just skill(while a "pro" account can have 200 arrows and/or upgraded bombs, those are fairly minut as you drops bombs and arrows when you die.) this would unbalance it in multiple ways, seeing as it would require a lot of questing to ease into the range where you could handle a pro player power vs. Power. Besides the fact of the time limits, a time limit shouldn't have to be as a last ditch attempt to make something possible in my opinion.

It would add another option to the sword-bomb-arrow combat system(I don't include lantern because it is very limited.) which, if classic was looking for one, it already would have one. This would be far too game-changing of a morph to fit in with what classic(from my perspective) has been going for.  

Well PvP is supposed to be an endgame thing for when you have collected all the heras and gotten the lizard sword and shield but sure whatever.... I still say the ability to morph into baddies would be a fun addition to combat. I mean, as long as it doesn't get too crazy. I was originally going to just say something like that but no usually people claim that it isn't well thought out when I pitch simple ideas.  

Posted by Vladamir Blackthorne

Well PvP is supposed to be an endgame thing for when you have collected all the heras and gotten the lizard sword and shield but sure whatever.... I still say the ability to morph into baddies would be a fun addition to combat. I mean, as long as it doesn't get too crazy. I was originally going to just say something like that but no usually people claim that it isn't well thought out when I pitch simple ideas.

Baddies morph?? Lol what's the point when you can customize as them  

Posted by Wolfie

Baddies morph?? Lol what's the point when you can customize as them

Take a good look at the lizardons in Destiny. Does that look like something I could just "customize" as? Plus we might be getting even more baddies in the future. We already have gotten spiders, crabs and lizardons, there is definitely a lot that can be done with just the variety of foes alone.  

Posted by Vladamir Blackthorne

Well PvP is supposed to be an endgame thing for when you have collected all the heras and gotten the lizard sword and shield but sure whatever.... I still say the ability to morph into baddies would be a fun addition to combat. I mean, as long as it doesn't get too crazy. I was originally going to just say something like that but no usually people claim that it isn't well thought out when I pitch simple ideas.

Where does it say that PVP is supposed to be for endgame? Classic and the past of graal online may be similar, but don't think they're the same thing. Why don't we all have twenty heart containers by now? This is classic, not graal online. Not trying to be rude here, but im serious.

I'll say it again, that just doesn't look like where classic is going and the current direction. Though that's from my perspective, who knows, we could have twenty hearts by tomorrow. But I doubt it.  

Posted by Areo

No, no, nononononono.

Elaboration; classic as a game strives to maintain a good balance of players, as in you can't be above a noob player in stats or items, just skill(while a "pro" account can have 200 arrows and/or upgraded bombs, those are fairly minut as you drops bombs and arrows when you die.) this would unbalance it in multiple ways, seeing as it would require a lot of questing to ease into the range where you could handle a pro player power vs. Power. Besides the fact of the time limits, a time limit shouldn't have to be as a last ditch attempt to make something possible in my opinion.

It would add another option to the sword-bomb-arrow combat system(I don't include lantern because it is very limited.) which, if classic was looking for one, it already would have one. This would be far too game-changing of a morph to fit in with what classic(from my perspective) has been going for.

In terms of competitive gameplay, the original solutions were AP and "Sainthood" (100 AP). In spars, the tradition was to make equal the number of hits each player has to make in order to win. In terms of guilds/PKing, you weren't generally accepted due to inexperience unless you had completed many quests, and there were no problems with that. In fact, the reverse situation's kind of an issue now, where any guild will accept you if you're helping them tower, and not take into account skill or experience. Then you get kicked once you're no longer useful. That hurts the gameplay experience.  

Posted by deadowl

In terms of competitive gameplay, the original solutions were AP and "Sainthood" (100 AP). In spars, the tradition was to make equal the number of hits each player has to make in order to win. In terms of guilds/PKing, you weren't generally accepted due to inexperience unless you had completed many quests, and there were no problems with that. In fact, the reverse situation's kind of an issue now, where any guild will accept you if you're helping them tower, and not take into account skill or experience. Then you get kicked once you're no longer useful. That hurts the gameplay experience.

I was by no means tying to "talk down" to the original, or its way of doing things. I was talking about my persective of what classic is going for.

We can argue which is better between "high barrier to entry" and "no barrier to entry" all day, they both have their own set of pro's and con's. It depends what the game you're designing is going for.

While I see/respect your reasoning for why the no barrier to entry system has problems, there were problems with the high barrier to entry as well, from a player friendly perspective.  

Posted by Areo

While I see/respect your reasoning for why the no barrier to entry system has problems, there were problems with the high barrier to entry as well, from a player friendly perspective.

Achievement is one of the most significant motivations for a very large number of gamers, MMORPGs included (http://www.nickyee.com/daedalus/archives/pdf/3-2.pdf). Classic currently does not really have such a thing outside of spar and PK records. Aside from that point, the players most successful in sparring cheat via speedhacking, VPNs, network emulation software, etc. Guilds are at the center of PKing and have no loyalty. Archery is buggy as hell. Essentially, there are very few ways to achieve anything for the average player. Only half of the players can be better than anyone else at sparring (or anything else). The number of people cheating preclude any sense of achievement for an even larger number of people. Opening new avenues for achievement would therefore make sense to me.