then what does a gp do? Patrol?  

Posted by Feorth

While i do agree with you, i have to say that it is simply unpractical to reply to every single pm that is sent from the palyers, at least with the current amount of staff working in the server. I often find myself in situations where i have to review guild logo, public and personal uploads, check the reports and answer a few of the pms i get, all by myself. Maybe more experienced players should apply for the staff team and then someday we achieve that level of player-staff relationship.

I play Zone, which at one point had a steady playercount of 600-700 players, so I can only imagine how many PMs Classic staff could get, especially during events. Not every PM should be replied to when someone's busy. My statement about even replying to PMs saying hi was assuming that the staff isn't busy. I don't know Classic's staff situation obviously, but I still think it's beneficial to have some way to create access for players to get help aside from toonslab.  

Posted by Feorth

While i do agree with you, i have to say that it is simply unpractical to reply to every single pm that is sent from the palyers, at least with the current amount of staff working in the server. I often find myself in situations where i have to review guild logo, public and personal uploads, check the reports and answer a few of the pms i get, all by myself. Maybe more experienced players should apply for the staff team and then someday we achieve that level of player-staff relationship.

They dont have to but they should at least try.  

Posted by PigParty

I dislike it. Players can have questions or minor issues that aren't worth sending a ticket, nor worth the time it takes to go through a ticket for a staff member. I always like, as staff, and as a player, having a relationship with the community. I liked classic years ago, and granted, I probably mostly got bored, but also I noticed the staff-player relationship was cut off basically. Staff used to go on buildings and talk to players and answer questions. Although that would be annoying with the amount of players they have now, they don't have to cut ties as much as they have. Players have to deal and interact with staff constantly in a game like Graal. It's better to have a relationship, than for players to think of staff as robots that just ban them. Graal has a community, and that should be emphasized more. Yes, players send pointless PMs, but many times they aren'r pointless. Even the ones saying hi; just responding and saying hi back is a great step toward a better community and player-staff relationship. I don't know... I've just always thought that the players and staff should interact together, since the administrators are actual players from the community itself. I've always thought that admins who thought they were above everyone else shouldn't be an admin. It basically proves they're there for power, attention, or just ego, rather than the development and progression of the server itself.

this should show you iclassic's quality staffs. yes, she is actually a staff.

with staffs like this, player-staff relationship won't happen.  

Posted by Wolfie

this should show you iclassic's quality staffs. yes, she is actually a staff.

with staffs like this, player-staff relationship won't happen.

did she get fired yet?  

I have a friend or two who are gps and they honestly wouldn't mind having this list they love answering questions from anyone!

I guess XOR has the last say though :/  

Posted by Weeno

did she get fired yet?

Posted by Wolfie

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this should show you iclassic's quality staffs. yes, she is actually a staff.

with staffs like this, player-staff relationship won't happen.

I don't believe she is staff anymore.

Posted by metal

They dont have to but they should at least try.

I agree, to some extent. I don't think staff should waste their time replying to "Hi" messages, or they would never do their job.

Posted by Bryan*

We can't. Our ban record is quite long.

Why does everyone want to say all experienced players have ban records? It's completely false.

Look on the current staff team. I know for a fact Feorth, Jarace, Dread, SnowNoob, (all of these people are currently GPs) and many others have been playing for at least 6 years, because I saw them around at the time or remember their names.

Just because you are/were immature doesn't mean that everyone was all those years ago.

Replying to questions is another matter, and so far I have not had any staff members ignore an actual question I've asked them.  

@Count, majority of players who are qualified/experienced have a ban record (Thallen for instance). In addition, not many players have special referrals that boosts their chances to become a GP. If you don't have any connections, your application is at the bottom of the pile or go unnoticed.

New players and some currently won't know who are the staff members unless they host an event (which is an estimate of another eclipse occurring). Players are better off getting help from non-admins or coming to this forum or Toonslab for any issues/concerns.


Note: I don't have an issue with the current staff members, I just think some are incompetent and full of themselves.  

Posted by Bryan*

@Count, majority of players who are qualified/experienced have a ban record (Thallen for instance). In addition, not many players have special referrals that boosts their chances to become a GP. If you don't have any connections, your application is at the bottom of the pile or go unnoticed.

New players and some currently won't know who are the staff members unless they host an event (which is an estimate of another eclipse occurring). Players are better off getting help from non-admins or coming to this forum or Toonslab for any issues/concerns.


Note: I don't have an issue with the current staff members, I just think some are incompetent and full of themselves.

Some is a understatement  

Posted by Wolfie

this should show you iclassic's quality staffs. yes, she is actually a staff.

with staffs like this, player-staff relationship won't happen.

Raina doesn't talk to people like that if they "didn't said ****." She said that to get you to back off; an empty threat to make you drop whatever you started. I don't blame her for doing that. Given who she is and what she has pulled through, she shouldn't suffer any punishment from her superiors.

If you actually need admin help, just wait for an event and add the admin so you can contact them. Sometimes they recommend you to another admin who will have the answer. Keep in mind, they are mostly busy. Patience is key when asking for help.  

Posted by Crono

no one wants you to leave, they just want you to stop spamming future improvements with threads

There is a difference between constructive Ideas and spamming. He shares his ideas which is great. So don't go around bashing at people for coming up with a not so great idea from time to time or sharing many different ideas.

I read a lot of your ideas @Vladamir So go on, don't think because one server hates on you, that the others don't respect you ;)  

Posted by Chelterrar

There is a difference between constructive Ideas and spamming. He shares his ideas which is great. So don't go around bashing at people for coming up with a not so great idea from time to time or sharing many different ideas.

I read a lot of your ideas @Vladamir So go on, don't think because one server hates on you, that the others don't respect you ;)

you dont fill up the future improvements with like 10 threads in the span of a few days, it's just straight up bad forum etiquette. plenty of ppl repped me/msged me agreeing so im not alone here.  

Posted by Count

I don't believe she is staff anymore.



I agree, to some extent. I don't think staff should waste their time replying to "Hi" messages, or they would never do their job.



Why does everyone want to say all experienced players have ban records? It's completely false.

Look on the current staff team. I know for a fact Feorth, Jarace, Dread, SnowNoob, (all of these people are currently GPs) and many others have been playing for at least 6 years, because I saw them around at the time or remember their names.

Just because you are/were immature doesn't mean that everyone was all those years ago.

Replying to questions is another matter, and so far I have not had any staff members ignore an actual question I've asked them.

The only punishment I have on record is having status reset for having words like "poop" (obviously the "bad word" which isn't censored in its place). I applied for staff 2 months ago and I have 6 years of experience with the game, plus more knowledge on recent trends such as very slight speeding as well as VPN yet I was never contacted. The rest of the application I can almost guarantee had more reasons to hire me than 50% of the current GP team combined. Yet no contact. As I said in another thread, this actually tops affirmative action as far as bs ways to hire someone.

For those wanting to try to change things here seem to be the steps.

1. Get in Zanza or some other tower guild with staff on it

2. Make them your best friend forever and praise them

3. With adding cute little :> faces, ask if they think you could become an admin if you applied.

4. Nice work Zanzanite, your fully qualified self has passed the test.  

Posted by Fulgore

The only punishment I have on record is having status reset for having words like "poop" (obviously the "bad word" which isn't censored in its place). I applied for staff 2 months ago and I have 6 years of experience with the game, plus more knowledge on recent trends such as very slight speeding as well as VPN yet I was never contacted. The rest of the application I can almost guarantee had more reasons to hire me than 50% of the current GP team combined. Yet no contact. As I said in another thread, this actually tops affirmative action as far as bs ways to hire someone.

For those wanting to try to change things here seem to be the steps.

1. Get in Zanza or some other tower guild with staff on it

2. Make them your best friend forever and praise them

3. With adding cute little :> faces, ask if they think you could become an admin if you applied.

4. Nice work Zanzanite, your fully qualified self has passed the test.

Punishments have almost nothing to do with an application. All your record usually does (from my experience) is eliminate people with excessive records so you know they aren't worth the time & shouldn't be hired. The application is key. I'm probably the worst person to read applications because I judge everything. How they portray themselves, spelling, grammar, proper English, and more, are all important things that go into an application. I haven't seen classic's application recent,y but I believe they steered more toward personal/experience questions like Era has, rather than the WWYD questions. That just makes the application all-the-more complex, as it should be. Recommendations definitely help someone get hired. I've only recommended one person to get hired & he was my friend, of course, but I have many friends who I would never recommend. It's not (or at least, shouldn't be... however I can't speak for other servers) about friendship, but if you aren't friends with someone, then you probably either don't know them well enough to recommend them, or you dislike them. Basically, you can't get hired just by not getting banned.  

Staff list was removed because there is no reason you would need to PM a staff member in game. PMs are a pretty **** way of communicating. I know I would miss most of them from reconnecting or skipping over them. Just send in a report or a ticket to toonslab.