Posted by Thallen

I'm pretty interested to see what becomes of /r/sandersforpresident (and /r/politics, since it's essentially the same thing) when they finally give up

nothing, remember when they were jerking in a circular fashion over hilary?  

Posted by Vic

Colin's results are awfully close to a certain individual...

Now it's clear why he doesn't want forum groups!!!!!!  

Posted by ReD s.

Trump wins boys
He owes it all to value town

Lmao

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Posted by Platinum

My problem with the pay gap is simply the fact it exists. One could argue, "It exists because women don't have as many positions in power as men", but then, why don't they? Because of education? Then why don't women complete the same amount of education as men? Because of children? Why aren't so many father helping out, or rather, why is it preventing women from succeeding when it is a natural biological process? The latter is especially sexist and awful. Regardless, the very fact it exists means that there is something causing the pay gap - which isn't equality. If it was between a few women and men, of course it would most likely be on factors such as experience, work hours, and asking for raises; but the very fact it is occurring on a global scale is the issue that needs to be addressed.

She is focusing on overcoming them???? She's running for President.
The gender issue is one she is at the center of, as are many other women - How on earth would one run for President and not address huge issues that impact one's life every single day.
I understand what you're trying to say with height, height and gender are insanely different things. Gender identity is one of the major classifying characteristics of a person - it's on your passport for heaven's sake. We participate in activities, treat other people differently, and live our whole lives based on genders. While short people might be not be picked for an NBA basketball team, the reason is because their skill level doesn't make up for their lack of height - Or rather, those who are tall have an advantage and so are picked. There should be no difference between a man and a woman - yet they are treated differently because why? Women are inadequate compared to men? No we are not! Women shouldn't need to overcome the modern day image of a woman, yet we are forced to because the image exists. It shouldn't exist.

You say people face their own individual challenges, however think of it this way. The patriarchy of societies* oppresses practically every single woman on the planet, giving them a barrier to overcome. By Clinton advocating for the getting rid of these issues, women (and hopefully men!) are 'combining' to attack the issue full force, breaking down the barrier. As I said earlier, an individual being oppressed is their own problem. But when it becomes a global trend, obviously there's a problem that needs to be fixed.


*(disclaimer: no, I'm not a feminazi because I said this. I believe in feminism. google it)

If abortion is killing a human baby, then surely periods do the same thing. Why not, as soon as a girl gets her period, we impregnate her to become a baby machine until she hits menopause. That way, no baby would ever have to die!

With all seriousness, the decision to have a baby is already incredibly hard, let alone choosing to have an abortion. Should we really be making it harder for women, by 'damning them to hell'? We only would ever want the best for our children, and sometimes, that's by aborting them and preventing them from a life of suffering.
No, I can't deny it could possibly might be murdering the innocent baby's potential. But more often, isn't abortion typically performed on mothers who wouldn't be able to provide for their children.

Sometimes people say that you could be 'aborting the child who would cure cancer'. But, what if the mother wasn the one? If the baby was born, the mother would most likely have to quit her job to support a baby she didn't plan to have - she'd have to adjust her lifestyle to accommodate the new child. In an unplanned pregancy, most of the time you are either choosing between a quality life for the mother, or a meager life for the mother and child.
As I said before, abortion is pro-quality of life.

It is also pro-choice. The father has the ability to run away, yet the mother is stuck with a child.not everyone would want to take care of a baby stranded on their doorstep, yet this is what anti-abortion does.
I 1000% agree with you.
Though, my problem is that fathers can physically run away from the child. The mother cannot, unless she purposefully causes (a dangerous!!!!!!!!!) miscarriage. I don't believe fathers should run away, but they can. Mothers can't.
I feel like that's more Buzzfeed's doing tbh. Obama has proved, that though it's clear to most of us, black people perform well in positions of power. Clinton being president would prove same. she has so, so much experience in politics, and wonderful policies.

Just as society advances, it's only natural for individuals to change their stances as it becomes more socially acceptable, and people aren't so negative towards those who support it. While it's understandable people attack politicians for wanting to win votes by changing stances, it's important to remember they are people too. Clinton has been in the spotlight for over 10 years (probably 20 or something crazy like that). That's a long time. Just because at the beginning of those years, she didn't support gay marriage, doesn't mean she can't change her mind to reflect how she's matured and how shes valued. She has always valued the bond between two people, but now (actually for around 5 or so years!) she realises that gays can be celebrated to, and so supports that.


Right back at you, and I even threw in more ahaha. I think I covered everything, I'm not too sure though

Hillary Clinton:
I just believe she actually runs partly on the campaign that she is a woman. Not only hat she will fix the problems women face, but that you should vote for her because she's a woman.

Abortion:
There's no killing of a baby until someone's actually impregnated. Once they are, though, getting an abortion would be murdering the baby (or at least its potential). As flr quality of life, I don't think you can measure that until it has already happened. Even if it does decrease the quality of life of the mother, is her quality of life of life more important than the actual life of another? I would rather have been born to a homeless family that has to struggle through life every day, rather than not being born at all. If having a baby will decrease someone's quality of life to that extent, then they shouldn't have sex at all, or should face the potential outcomes of doing it. I know, some might say that making them not have sex is wrong. But it would be their choice, and it's a fact of human nature that sex produces a child, and they know that. It really doesn't matter if their child is the one that cures cancer or the one who becomes a serial murderer, it's still that innocent child's life that someone else gets to decide whether it lives or dies.

And as for the father running away, there should be laws obligating them to the child, just as the mother is, and face jail time for child neglection if they do run away. Honestly, though, it won't solve the problem as much as it should. If the father or the mother don't want to raise the child, but are legally obligated, they probably won't raise the child very well. Again, it really all comes down to the guy and girl choosing to have sex...  

Posted by PigParty

Abortion:
There's no killing of a baby until someone's actually impregnated. Once they are, though, getting an abortion would be murdering the baby (or at least its potential). As flr quality of life, I don't think you can measure that until it has already happened. Even if it does decrease the quality of life of the mother, is her quality of life of life more important than the actual life of another? I would rather have been born to a homeless family that has to struggle through life every day, rather than not being born at all. If having a baby will decrease someone's quality of life to that extent, then they shouldn't have sex at all, or should face the potential outcomes of doing it. I know, some might say that making them not have sex is wrong. But it would be their choice, and it's a fact of human nature that sex produces a child, and they know that. It really doesn't matter if their child is the one that cures cancer or the one who becomes a serial murderer, it's still that innocent child's life that someone else gets to decide whether it lives or dies.

And as for the father running away, there should be laws obligating them to the child, just as the mother is, and face jail time for child neglection if they do run away. Honestly, though, it won't solve the problem as much as it should. If the father or the mother don't want to raise the child, but are legally obligated, they probably won't raise the child very well. Again, it really all comes down to the guy and girl choosing to have sex...

Spoiler

Warning: Sarcasm ahead!

Let's also ban the planned parenthood association while we're at it - just like you're trying to "ban" sex unless people want kids. And the morning-after pills are basically murder in a pill!

Anyway, out of interest, what should be done with women who go through with abortion without the "need" to? Should they be treated like a murderer and go to jail for it? Or maybe we should reinforce death penalty or stoning to deal with these women?

And also, how will you determine which women has been raped, and who hasn't? Where does the line go between its okay to have an abortion due to health issues, does health issues also cover mental illnesses like depression etc?

You say you would rather be born to a homeless family than not be born at all, but how do you know this?

I'm just happy I'm gay.
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Posted by Guri

Spoiler

Warning: Sarcasm ahead!

Let's also ban the planned parenthood association while we're at it - just like you're trying to "ban" sex unless people want kids. And the morning-after pills are basically murder in a pill!

Anyway, out of interest, what should be done with women who go through with abortion without the "need" to? Should they be treated like a murderer and go to jail for it? Or maybe we should reinforce death penalty or stoning to deal with these women?

And also, how will you determine which women has been raped, and who hasn't? Where does the line go between its okay to have an abortion due to health issues, does health issues also cover mental illnesses like depression etc?

You say you would rather be born to a homeless family than not be born at all, but how do you know this?

I'm just happy I'm gay.
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THANK YOU  

Posted by PigParty

Abortion:
There's no killing of a baby until someone's actually impregnated. Once they are, though, getting an abortion would be murdering the baby (or at least its potential). As flr quality of life, I don't think you can measure that until it has already happened. Even if it does decrease the quality of life of the mother, is her quality of life of life more important than the actual life of another? I would rather have been born to a homeless family that has to struggle through life every day, rather than not being born at all. If having a baby will decrease someone's quality of life to that extent, then they shouldn't have sex at all, or should face the potential outcomes of doing it. I know, some might say that making them not have sex is wrong. But it would be their choice, and it's a fact of human nature that sex produces a child, and they know that. It really doesn't matter if their child is the one that cures cancer or the one who becomes a serial murderer, it's still that innocent child's life that someone else gets to decide whether it lives or dies.

And as for the father running away, there should be laws obligating them to the child, just as the mother is, and face jail time for child neglection if they do run away. Honestly, though, it won't solve the problem as much as it should. If the father or the mother don't want to raise the child, but are legally obligated, they probably won't raise the child very well. Again, it really all comes down to the guy and girl choosing to have sex...

I wish republicans were this passionate about gun laws instead of just shrugging it off like they always do. Meh, **** happens.  

Posted by Guri

Spoiler

Warning: Sarcasm ahead!

Let's also ban the planned parenthood association while we're at it - just like you're trying to "ban" sex unless people want kids. And the morning-after pills are basically murder in a pill!

Anyway, out of interest, what should be done with women who go through with abortion without the "need" to? Should they be treated like a murderer and go to jail for it? Or maybe we should reinforce death penalty or stoning to deal with these women?

And also, how will you determine which women has been raped, and who hasn't? Where does the line go between its okay to have an abortion due to health issues, does health issues also cover mental illnesses like depression etc?

You say you would rather be born to a homeless family than not be born at all, but how do you know this?

Mental illness aplies to the baby, not the mother, so yes, abortion would still be illegal. For determining rape, there's rape kits, there's investigations. No one needs to have proven there's been a rape, or know who the offender is, there would just need reasonable suspicion. No one's banning sex. I just said they need to realize what happens from sex sometimes. It's not their right to kill a baby because they chose to have sex/unprotected sex but don't like the outcome. There's no "need" for abortion. It would just be a personal decision that would only be legally given to someone if they met those circumstances. And yes, I believe if abortion was made illegal, anyone who had an abortion without being legally allowed to would be charged with murder. The doctor, and the mother. I also believe that the death penalty should be applied to more charges. Attempted murder is the same as murder, the only difference is the offender failed, so that should have the death penalty as an option too. Birth control pills and "morning after" pills are fine because the work to prevent the fertilization, rather than to interfere with it after it has already happened. Also I realize your planned parenthood statement was part of the sarcasm, but since you brought it up... Planned parenthood has nothing to do with this topic, especially the idea of banning planned parenthood. They perform abortions, but abortions are legal. They do nothing wrong (not getting into the accusations of them allegedly selling body parts). It's just like it used to be legal to deny gay couples marriage. There was nothing legally wrong with that. Now gay marriage is legal, so denying them would be wrong. I think it's humorous how so many people always advocate for children/animal's rights because they can't speak for themselves, yet just because you can't see the actual child yet, they have no rights.

Oh, also I know I'd rather be alive and homeless than never alive at all because I enjoy living, and can't enjoy or even dislike living if I'm not alive. That's pretty straightforward.  

Posted by PigParty

I just said they need to realize what happens from sex sometimes. It's not their right to kill a baby because they chose to have sex/unprotected sex but don't like the outcome

What makes you think that someone who can't grasp the concept of baby = sex, is equipped to be in charge of someones entire life?

Posted by PigParty

Birth control pills and "morning after" pills are fine because the work to prevent the fertilization, rather than to interfere with it after it has already happened.

Does it actually ****ing matter when it happens?

Posted by PigParty

Oh, also I know I'd rather be alive and homeless than never alive at all because I enjoy living, and can't enjoy or even dislike living if I'm not alive. That's pretty straightforward.

No, you don't know this. You're assuming you do.  

Posted by PigParty

Mental illness aplies to the baby, not the mother, so yes, abortion would still be illegal. For determining rape, there's rape kits, there's investigations. No one needs to have proven there's been a rape, or know who the offender is, there would just need reasonable suspicion. No one's banning sex. I just said they need to realize what happens from sex sometimes. It's not their right to kill a baby because they chose to have sex/unprotected sex but don't like the outcome. There's no "need" for abortion. It would just be a personal decision that would only be legally given to someone if they met those circumstances. And yes, I believe if abortion was made illegal, anyone who had an abortion without being legally allowed to would be charged with murder. The doctor, and the mother. I also believe that the death penalty should be applied to more charges. Attempted murder is the same as murder, the only difference is the offender failed, so that should have the death penalty as an option too. Birth control pills and "morning after" pills are fine because the work to prevent the fertilization, rather than to interfere with it after it has already happened. Also I realize your planned parenthood statement was part of the sarcasm, but since you brought it up... Planned parenthood has nothing to do with this topic, especially the idea of banning planned parenthood. They perform abortions, but abortions are legal. They do nothing wrong (not getting into the accusations of them allegedly selling body parts). It's just like it used to be legal to deny gay couples marriage. There was nothing legally wrong with that. Now gay marriage is legal, so denying them would be wrong. I think it's humorous how so many people always advocate for children/animal's rights because they can't speak for themselves, yet just because you can't see the actual child yet, they have no rights.

Oh, also I know I'd rather be alive and homeless than never alive at all because I enjoy living, and can't enjoy or even dislike living if I'm not alive. That's pretty straightforward.

Charged with murder, death penalty, wtf kind of backwards views do you have? It's 2016, let a woman do what she wants with her body for crying out loud. I get the whole, "But what if it was done illegally! 11!1!" part, but she'd never have to get it done illegally if it wasn't illegal in the first place.  

Posted by Mangsi

Charged with murder, death penalty, wtf kind of backwards views do you have? It's 2016, let a woman do what she wants with her body for crying out loud. I get the whole, "But what if it was done illegally! 11!1!" part, but she'd never have to get it done illegally if it wasn't illegal in the first place.

The "an eye for an eye"-policy seems to work so well everywhere else, so why not include it in the abortion-debate?
You kill fetus, you dead!  

PigParty there is a huge difference in killing a baby and killing an under developed fetus, there are already rules and regulations for abortion because of this.

Anyone who actually thinks abortion is killing a baby is beyond the point of no return  

What about babies born with severe deformities?

And I ain't talking about a club foot or something, I'm talking SEVERELY deformed.

Some babies are literally born into a life of pain, their existence is hurting them because of some underdeveloped vital organ or something.

If nothing could've been done to save it, wouldn't it have been better to just have aborted it or maybe even euthanized it after it was born?

Does that agree with your moral compass?

Not everything is black and white. Life has complications. How we deal with those complications is up to us and not anyone else.

I also believe the human race is in grave danger of overpopulation. I'd rather not have my children or their children have to fight over precious resources that may be scarce in the future because a bunch of dumb teenagers went ahead and got pregnant and weren't allowed to abort.

If somebody is not fit to bear children then they shouldn't.  

Posted by 5hift

I also believe the human race is in grave danger of overpopulation.

Specific regions are but not the entire race. Not by a longshot man.  

Also, @Anyone who's not a woman who has pro life views.

You're not a woman, you don't know what it's like to be expecting a child who you know will have a severe deformity, you don't know what it's like to know you're pregnant and be aware of the fact that you will NOT be able to be take care of it. What if it was an accident, what if you're to young to have a child?

Being the father doesn't count, you're not the one who has to choose abortion VS. Living.

You don't have a clue what it's like to have to worry about these things, so why even have an opinion on it?

I'm also not saying I know anything about it, but I was born a woman so I know that in the future I could have to make these choices.