They Removed KOTH not because of the community but because i think, according to the MoD tower modification released, they're pretty much are going to analyze each tower and are going to tweak and improve towers by modifying or fixing each tower so that it gives an advantage to both sides.

Just a speculation of mines but i hope tower taking at least improves in some way acceptable for players. KOTH (Even though i defended it) pretty much caused an upset off-balance due to noob recruiting and the outcome of it  

Posted by Godzilla

If you don't like KOTH there was still 4 other towers. But just because you don't like it doesn't mean it should be removed.

Conclusion: people who wanted it removed are selfish and SoS are noobs.

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Posted by Godzilla

And all you need to do in a regular tower is have 20 people sit in a doorway...towers in general don't require a lot of skill these days, but KOTH does require more.

No it doesnt lol. How could KOTH possibly need skill. Taking a non KOTH tower is so much more difficult. In KOTH tower taking, all you need is more players than the other guild, and have yours avoid the others.  

Posted by Maikeru

They Removed KOTH not because of the community but because i think, according to the MoD tower modification released, they're pretty much are going to analyze each tower and are going to tweak and improve towers by modifying or fixing each tower so that it gives an advantage to both sides.

Just a speculation of mines but i hope tower taking at least improves in some way acceptable for players. KOTH (Even though i defended it) pretty much caused an upset off-balance due to noob recruiting and the outcome of it

I hope you're right, and they actually get a few of the forts right too.  

If they do do that i hope its as good as the MoD update. I see MoD as kind of like a starting point for new guilds, and this makes it more fair.  

For KOTH, heres what i think it should have been:
-Remove the time increase/decrease thing
-Have players who afk a long time in the tower put outside of the castle (For KOTH towers only. Helps demote noob recruiting).
-only attackers will still spawn outside of tower

How it should have worked:
-if there are more attackers slashing the flag than defenders, the flag will lose health usually like tower flags
-if there are more defenders slashing the flag than attackers, the flag will gain health usually like tower flags
-attackers cannot drop flag health if theres more defenders slashing the flag
-defenders cannot gain flag health if theres more attackers slashing the flag

First off, it destroys noob recruiting. Noobs instead of running around has to fight or the flag will stay up to its health as is. Defenders can slash opponents away Second, Its king of the hill as how it should have been! The guild with the most members on their team will have an advantage. Defenders will still respawn like in old towers so noob recruiting doesn't really have an advantage here

I know it can be tweaked but thats my version of KOTH. What do you think?  

Mike I hate you so much and I feel like you should know that, but that's the best post I've seen on this subject.

Ever.  

Posted by qes

KOTH=skill,
block doors,
noob recruit, heal a flag= nooby

Running in a circle with noobs you just recruited vs actully killing people and running around with ppl you know.

Posted by mr froggy

If people need to rely on koth forts to get them guild hours, there guild needs major work.

Those saying taking forts before koth didnt take any skills please leave this thread and come back once you've taken a tower.

Amen... Taking a fort regular requires 10x the skill of a koth taking... Especially snow  

Posted by Squigglez

No it doesnt lol. How could KOTH possibly need skill. Taking a non KOTH tower is so much more difficult. In KOTH tower taking, all you need is more players than the other guild, and have yours avoid the others.

Well yeah they're easier to take if you have more members but then harder to defend. I see what maikerus saying, and it did bring about more noob recruiting. But I'd rather them try to fix that whole issue all together than just take away KOTH. Regular towers end up just being a cluster**** of sword spam. KOTH towers you are at least moving around, and pking. But like gambit said, a guild with a few skilled players can often overcome a guild with a ton of noobs. In these towers it at least helps to know how to fight.

@maikeru: isn't that just like regular towers? It sorta takes away all the skill that was in KOTH.  

Posted by Maikeru

For KOTH, heres what i think it should have been:
-Remove the time increase/decrease thing
-Have players who afk a long time in the tower put outside of the castle (For KOTH towers only. Helps demote noob recruiting).
-only attackers will still spawn outside of tower

How it should have worked:
-if there are more attackers slashing the flag than defenders, the flag will lose health usually like tower flags
-if there are more defenders slashing the flag than attackers, the flag will gain health usually like tower flags
-attackers cannot drop flag health if theres more defenders slashing the flag
-defenders cannot gain flag health if theres more attackers slashing the flag

First off, it destroys noob recruiting. Noobs instead of running around has to fight or the flag will stay up to its health as is. Defenders can slash opponents away Second, Its king of the hill as how it should have been! The guild with the most members on their team will have an advantage. Defenders will still respawn like in old towers so noob recruiting doesn't really have an advantage here

I know it can be tweaked but thats my version of KOTH. What do you think?

I actully kinda like it... And i despised koth before... Bravo  

Posted by Godzilla

If you don't like KOTH there was still 4 other towers. But just because you don't like it doesn't mean it should be removed.

Conclusion: people who wanted it removed are selfish and SoS are noobs.

Couldnt come up with any agrument so you go with an insult, Im sure your parents are very proud of you and you'll grow up to have an excellent future.  

Posted by mr froggy

Couldnt come up with any agrument so you go with an insult, Im sure your parents are very proud of you and you'll grow up to have an excellent future.

No I backed up my insult earlier. I noticed that SoS hated the tower tyPe which took more skill and I put 2 and 2 together. If you guys want to take a tower type out which you don't like just because you don't like it, despite having positive feedback from other people and there still being 4 towers which are non KOTH, you are selfish. This is what you guys sound like to me:

I love KOTH! All towers should be KOTH! Regular towers suck!  

^Actually that's closer to what you sound like.  

Posted by Godzilla

No I backed up my insult earlier. I noticed that SoS hated the tower tyPe which took more skill and I put 2 and 2 together. If you guys want to take a tower type out which you don't like just because you don't like it, despite having positive feedback from other people and there still being 4 towers which are non KOTH, you are selfish. This is what you guys sound like to me:

I love KOTH! All towers should be KOTH! Regular towers suck!

SoS isn't the only guild that hate koth. If you did a bit of research you'll find Black Lotus, Characters Japan, Chain of Memories, Voyage, Rampage and Crusix Evolution. These guilds are all successful fort taking guilds who dislike koth because they put time and effort into there guild so they dont need forts like koth. These guilds take towers regularly your saying these 7 guilds should share 4 towers on a daily basis? Just so people that put hardly any effort putting a decent guild together can get a whole 10 minutes... and yet you say where the selfish ones.

Put more effort into making a strong guild and i assure you, you will not need koth.  

Okay so other nooby guilds don't like it? If your a good player you'll be good at KOTH. Yeah attackings easier than in other towers but that's not a terribly bad thing. Do any new guilds really stand a chance against a bunch of noobs sitting in a doorway completely blocking you and being able to run back into that position in 2-4 seconds? This way a up and coming guild can actually get a tower as begin their journey.

And god forbid we actually get some competition here. Oh boo hoo 7 guilds have to fight over 4 towers. Anyone remember the days when we had like 40 tower guilds competing over 4 towers? Now this guys bitching about 7 guilds competing over 4. LOL!

In case you don't know it's pretty hard to start a guild. These days most people have a loyal guild which you basically have to steal them from in order to get your members. So for the people who are trying to start up, you think it's fair that they have no chance in getting a tower? I feel like you guys are afraid of competition. You don't want new guilds coming up, and you don't want to compete against other big tower guilds. Btw if you can't defend any tower including a KOTH tower against a bunch of noobs who barely have themselves established that really says something about you doesn't it?