The attack happened less than five days ago, this young girl is clearly in shock and had no idea whether or not any of her future concerts may be targets of additional attacks, and given that she was personally in the building during the attack she was involved in that chaotic scene and is probably traumatized by the scene. What do you expect her to say? "**** Islam, ISIS is incompatible with Western culture #westernization" She's a young girl who probably knows just as much about the situation as the rest of us. When she cancelled her tour I'm sure she wasn't thinking "I shouldn't cancel my concerts because then the tefrorists win, even though that not canceling my tour could attact additional terrorists and thus put even more of my fans in danger, but who cares because the terrorists wouldn't win" she was probably thinking "In order to keep myself and my fans safe I probably shouldn't encourage a large number of them to be in one place" which, as we all know, is a terrorists favorite place to go.

All I'm saying is I think we should give her some respect. Thallen I know you're not a fan of the Tumblr/Twitter teenage culture but that's no reason to attack her for the way she responded to the attacks (which is probably how many others would have responded to the attacks). Not only did she experience the attack but it was at her own concert. She's probably scared and confused and is tying to respond in what she believes is the best way possible, and we have to respect her for that. And you can't expect her to suddenly try to use her influence to get her fans to fix the problem. The attack just happened and is raw and we don't even have all of the details yet (and she had even less when she made the tweet) so for her to suddenly start to point fingers on her Twitter account would, in my opinion, be insensitive given how recent the attack is. Maybe she'll speak out more in the future, but for now I think she acted appropriately.

As for her saying sorry, it's just something that people say when something tragic happens. If someone says "my father passed away last month", people usually say "I'm so sorry" not because they did it but because it's just something that you say when something like that happens.  

Posted by Thallen

Suspect is a White Male who simultaneously voted for Trump and in favor of Brexit

Grande's response thus far is trash, she spammed Twitter about how she is "crying" and "terrified" after Trump won the election but all she had to say after this is:


She needs to be using her platform to help do something about this

She also canceled the remainder of her tour in Europe (meaning the terrorists have effectively won) - for someone so brave in the face of "Islamophobia," she's very quick to run like a coward back to the country that she claims to hate so much

god leave her alone, she'll be lucky to perform another show again, especially if this attack was intentional in its targeting her fanbase of 13 year old girls

Posted by Thallen

Yeah, props to her for making a Tumblr-esque tweet for million retweets… We won't hold it against her that she said before that she wished all of her fans would die, but it's fair to hold that type of thing against someone like Trump (who wants to protect her against these incidents)

read the article. it says people said she was growing too big for her boobs. i've said worse in response to less, the difference is im not accountable for every word i've ever (and then some i haven't) said. let's say manchester arena was a calculated sexist attack against young women--promoting these mindsets of misogyny is what allowed this attack to occur in the first place. with all his ***** grabbing and what not trump surely hasn't been protecting ariana grande on that front  

You guys are going to lengths to make it seem like I'm "attacking" her when I've clearly stated:

Posted by Thallen

Don't treat it as if I'm bothered that she apologized or by what she said, but there are a lot of additional things she could say but never will. She chose to try to influence millions of people not to vote for a candidate, but she won't try to influence people to come together and help fix the problem that caused these deaths at her show.

If we seriously live in a culture where someone is commended for saying something as simple as "sorry" in response to people dying at their concert then we're definitely too far gone. Reset the clock, tweet and like = 1 prayer, and let's wait for it to happen again as we criticize every step that the people in power make while attempting to actually protect us.

Posted by MattKan

let's say manchester arena was a calculated sexist attack against young women--promoting these mindsets of misogyny is what allowed this attack to occur in the first place

Do you know much about Islam? Are you actually stupid enough to come in this thread and imply that anything Trump could have ever said is more misogynistic than the religion behind these attacks? Get out of here with that garbage, dude.  

Posted by PigParty

But yea, props to President Trump for calling the bomber out as a "loser". We won't hold it against him that he said Islam hates us, along with....
http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...s-cycle-214420

i agree with the sentiment, violence doesn't just happen without a pool of hatred from which to evolve. trump is by no mean unilaterally responsible for this, but perpetuating the otherizing mindset that muslims are intrinsically our enemy certainly doesn't help  

Posted by MattKan

but perpetuating the otherizing mindset that muslims are intrinsically our enemy certainly doesn't help

So you support the killing of gays, Jews, apostates, and oppression of women then? Or you just feel like you have to coddle and tiptoe around them because you're afraid they might kill you too?  

Posted by Thallen

Do you know much about Islam? Are you actually stupid enough to come in this thread and imply that anything Trump could have ever said is more misogynistic than the religion behind these attacks? Get out of here with that garbage, dude.

i was more of commenting as to the audacity of the 27 year old man on the forums apologizing for trump and the hateful sexist comments against the female pop star not 24 hours after a terrorist group decided to use the detonation of young girls at her concert as a political act. give her a ****ing break dude  

Posted by MattKan

apologizing for trump and the hateful sexist comments against the female pop star

THE HATEFUL SEXIST COMMENTS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE DON'T SAY THINGS I DON'T LIKE OR IT'S RACIST AND SEXIST
(literally nothing I said was an apology for Trump or hateful or sexist)

Go defend a religion that openly murders and oppresses people more, weirdo…  

Posted by Thallen

THE HATEFUL SEXIST COMMENTS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE DON'T SAY THINGS I DON'T LIKE OR IT'S RACIST AND SEXIST

Go defend a religion that openly murders and oppresses people more, weirdo…

Please stay on the topic of this thread. There's no need for such posts here. What happened is bad enough.  

Posted by Thallen

You guys are going to lengths to make it seem like I'm "attacking" her when I've clearly stated:

If we seriously live in a culture where someone is commended for saying something as simple as "sorry" in response to people dying at their concert then we're definitely too far gone. Reset the clock, tweet and like = 1 prayer, and let's wait for it to happen again as we criticize every step that the people in power make while attempting to actually protect us.



Do you know much about Islam? Are you actually stupid enough to come in this thread and imply that anything Trump could have ever said is more misogynistic than the religion behind these attacks? Get out of here with that garbage, dude.

You did attack Ariana Grande in earlier posts, and that post actually.

If we live in a culture where we have to attack a 21 year old singer for saying sorry to those who were hurt by an attack at her concert, then we've gone too far.

You're saying Trump is good because 'Hey! He's less sexist than terrorists!' I always know that someone doesn't have much of a foundation for their argument when they have to make someone look better by comparing them to someone worse than them. The fact that you even have to compare only proves the point.

Posted by MattKan

i agree with the sentiment, violence doesn't just happen without a pool of hatred from which to evolve. trump is by no mean unilaterally responsible for this, but perpetuating the otherizing mindset that muslims are intrinsically our enemy certainly doesn't help

Exactly what I think.

Just as criminals in prison often end up behaving worse than they did when they entered the CJ system. They often get treated like animals. If they keep reinforcing in you that you're dangerous, you'll end up becoming what they reinforced.  

Posted by Thallen

There's not much left to say after that. Islam is dangerous and incompatible with the West. ISIS flourishes because it's so easy to manipulate an already-regressive religion and shape it into some murderous and hateful idealogy.

How isolated must you be to claim that Islam as a whole is dangerous and incompatible to society? Read the Bible and you would say the same about Christianity. The vast majority of Muslims are well integrated and live within our society, following the rules and act like most decent human beings. Obviously there's exceptions, but that doesn't mean that the whole religion is dangerous and incompatible, it just means that the extremists are.

I don't know that much about elsewhere, but the Muslim community as a whole does really great work in my city for those who are worse off and are constantly helping out others. While I don't really agree with a lot of the teachings of Islam I respect their freedom to practice their religion so long as it isn't having a negative impact on the rest of society, which for the most part it's actually benefiting society.

This was the Muslim Council of Britain's statement on the bombing in Manchester:

My thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families. I understand teenagers and children have been caught up in what the police has confirmed to be a terrorist attack. This is horrific, this is criminal. May the perpetrators face the full weight of justice both in this life and the next.

I pay tribute to the police and emergency services who have worked valiantly to save lives last night. They were helped by civilians who rushed into offer their support. I urge all those in the region and around the country to pool together to support those affected.

 

Posted by Aftermath

riperoni

tbh they dont do these attacks, they just say they did it after a lone wolf attack  

Posted by Thallen

Suspect is a White Male who simultaneously voted for Trump and in favor of Brexit

Grande's response thus far is trash, she spammed Twitter about how she is "crying" and "terrified" after Trump won the election but all she had to say after this is:


She needs to be using her platform to help do something about this

She also canceled the remainder of her tour in Europe (meaning the terrorists have effectively won) - for someone so brave in the face of "Islamophobia," she's very quick to run like a coward back to the country that she claims to hate so much

Posted by Thallen

Yeah, props to her for making a Tumblr-esque tweet for million retweets… We won't hold it against her that she said before that she wished all of her fans would die, but it's fair to hold that type of thing against someone like Trump (who wants to protect her against these incidents)

What I expect is that she not cancel her tour like a coward (already failed that one) and for her to keep her mouth shut from now on when it comes to political matters regarding keeping these people out of our (or any) country - either that, or when the inevitable occurs and it's confirmed that it was a radical Islamic terrorist, it'd be nice to see her condemn it and hold the ideology accountable

Posted by Thallen

You guys are going to lengths to make it seem like I'm "attacking" her

Do you know much about Islam? Are you actually stupid enough to come in this Get out of here with that garbage, dude.

If this a thread for you to inject your views on how someone with a following who personally just experienced a bombing to immediately think it's a good time to use this tragic event as a way to make a point against terrorism, over the fact that lives were lost (which I hope none were when she was campaigning against trump) then I think you are in the wrong place.

Lives were lost, and you expect her to continue her tour? You may see it as her being a coward, but being able to continue her tour seems to mean that she doesn't care about what just happened to her fans.

I don't live in the UK, but one of my friends who currently lives in Stockport (a few miles away from Manchester) is terrified. I wish for those who have been injured to hopefully recover from the trauma they faced.  

Such an unfortunate event
I do beleive that continuing her tour would have been nice however she may have been too scared for her life which is understandable,Most people don't have those balls she is no John Lennon to put her life in danger like that I'm sure many of us would have taken the same action.

I beleive it would be wrong to generelize the entire religion as in many urban communities they have become more progressive and accepting of liberal beleifs.

However I must agree with Thallen that Liberalism is too passive and weak to help solve the problem and perhaps a more aggressive approach is in order.

They are taking advantage of weak liberal culture in order to obtain political power in the west. I don't blame people, especialy those in rural areas of the world to be weary of these people however I assure you that not all of these peoplenare regressive, especialy here in North America  

Politics seen directly after tragic events such as this is purely fear-mongering propoganda.  

Posted by Sardon

However I must agree with Thallen that Liberalism is too passive and weak to help solve the problem and perhaps a more aggressive approach is in order.

So what's your solution? Religious persecution?

Extremism is a problem and has to be dealt with but do you really think punishing millions for the actions of a few is fair? How about our governments stop giving them weapons? Just the other day Trump made a $110bn arms deal with Saudi Arabia, a country that has supposed ties to ISIS and Trump previously claimed to be behind 9/11. But of course liberals are the problem!