Ideal Guild towers discussion

Skill · 03-30-2012

Wasn't sure if I should put this in future improvements or not because it is a discussion about towers and it isn't a finished idea yet.

This thread is for discussing guild towers and how they can be made the most fair and exciting. Under the original system, players slash a flag to lower the health, and the owners slash to heal it. The owners respawn at the top near the flag, and the attackers respawn outside. As a result of this, the defenders often block the way up, resulting in the offensive guilds' inability to reach the flag. All it requires is for at least 2 people to block constantly with good timing. This encourages many players to exploit errors in the games' tiles or bugs. It's completely a mess. Another issue is players on older devices that encounter low frame rates cant slash the flag very fast.

A few months ago, shortly after the release of Graal on Facebook, I sent a suggestion to Stefan on how to fix these issues. This was the King of the Hill system. It seemed great, however after the creation and implementation of it, everyone soon realized a new issue. Players could run around the area to avoid being hit. This caused many players to dislike the system and protest enough for it to be removed on iPhone.

Post your ideas on how the perfect tower system would be or how to fix the current issues.

Here's some of my ideas:
----simple fixes-------
always make defenders spawn outside or somewhere else far away like the new mod on iPhone does.

in KOTH, make it so if a player is lagging they don't damage the flag or heal it.
in KOTH, make the area that you damage the flag smaller

make doors and stairs wider in forts and towers

------------more complicated stuff-------------

make more towers on the iPhone server to encourage new guilds
make towers of different levels: 1, 2 and 3. Convert the guild time to points, and maybe allow for guild upgrade with these points as well as a permanent score for rankings. higher level forts give more points.

New guilds would go for level 1 forts that ideally would only have 3-5 people defending at most(basically what fb has) Big guilds like CoM would go for level 3 forts that are packed(large scale attacks of course and larger flags)

any thoughts?

Talon · 03-30-2012

No offense, and I have nothing against this particular thread but,

Why does everyone want to change towers and tower guilds? The formula for towers has been working perfectly fine for two years, and nothing has to change. The only thing that SHOULD change is strategies (temps, sub guilds, etc.) and they do. Towers are fine, it isn't like towers are imbalanced to the point where a tower can be held by a 1:3 defender:attacker ratio. What should change is burgers - some people with thousands and thousands of Gralats and a tower to defend resort to burgers. They can be endless, and people can sit at the bottleneck entrance, eating burgers.

Rexx · 03-30-2012

Make it so the guild that owns the tower loses the ability to 'Recruit'
This would get rid of temps, noob recruiting, and sub guilds
It would encourage more planning, preparation, and strategy

This is ideal and would never happen unfortunately..

Talon · 03-30-2012

I could see that.

MrSimons · 03-30-2012

Posted by Rexx

Make it so the guild that owns the tower loses the ability to 'Recruit'
This would get rid of temps, noob recruiting, and sub guilds
It would encourage more planning, preparation, and strategy

This is ideal and would never happen unfortunately..

^That is the only thing towers need to improve.

Skill · 03-30-2012

Posted by Agony

No offense, and I have nothing against this particular thread but,

Why does everyone want to change towers and tower guilds? The formula for towers has been working perfectly fine for two years, and nothing has to change. The only thing that SHOULD change is strategies (temps, sub guilds, etc.) and they do. Towers are fine, it isn't like towers are imbalanced to the point where a tower can be held by a 1:3 defender:attacker ratio. What should change is burgers - some people with thousands and thousands of Gralats and a tower to defend resort to burgers. They can be endless, and people can sit at the bottleneck entrance, eating burgers.

I agree with the burger part. Burgers should be disabled in forts. However, guild towers are starting to get boring, and making a new guild for forts is very difficult. Thats why I think the system with fort levels and more forts would help

Posted by Rexx

Make it so the guild that owns the tower loses the ability to 'Recruit'
This would get rid of temps, noob recruiting, and sub guilds
It would encourage more planning, preparation, and strategy

This is ideal and would never happen unfortunately..

I disagree with this, recruiting when we had towers was the way my guild SHRUB and ally RAINs army as well as many other guilds found new people that stayed and made friends. If this didn't exist I probably wouldn't have met half the friends I found on Graal. Maybe add a limit as to how many people you can kick an hour though.

Also this would greatly decrease the amount of new tower guilds

iHot · 03-31-2012

Who cares towers are decent the way they are i would only do Rexx's idea.

spades of feare · 03-31-2012

Towers are fine as is, when used without lag/glitches/modding/hacking... Etc. they are perfectly advantage. Of course the advantage is supposed to be the guy in giant 3 story fortress, its just logical.

Posted by Rexx

Make it so the guild that owns the tower loses the ability to 'Recruit'
This would get rid of temps, noob recruiting, and sub guilds
It would encourage more planning, preparation, and strategy

This is ideal and would never happen unfortunately..

Lets see you get 12+ people on 24hrs a day

subs are completely legitimate.

Skill · 03-31-2012

towers are impossible to take without glitching when there are 4 people constantly block the stairs preventing you from getting up.

Pazx · 03-31-2012

Agony you are a god damn massive hypocrite.

iChronic · 03-31-2012

nah nah nah nahhh....WHY NOT JUST TURN MOD BACK AS IT WAS BEFORE BUT WITH ARROW PROOF WALLS?

qes · 03-31-2012

reset...tower...times

spades of feare · 03-31-2012

Posted by Skill

towers are impossible to take without glitching when there are 4 people constantly block the stairs preventing you from getting up.

Standing on the stAirs is not glitching.

Ryan · 04-01-2012

There are way too many threads about this

Skill · 04-01-2012

Posted by spades of feare

Standing on the stAirs is not glitching.

no but it is exploiting an error in the level's design

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Skill The Unwanted Critic Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 3,639	Ideal Guild towers discussion Wasn't sure if I should put this in future improvements or not because it is a discussion about towers and it isn't a finished idea yet. This thread is for discussing guild towers and how they can be made the most fair and exciting. Under the original system, players slash a flag to lower the health, and the owners slash to heal it. The owners respawn at the top near the flag, and the attackers respawn outside. As a result of this, the defenders often block the way up, resulting in the offensive guilds' inability to reach the flag. All it requires is for at least 2 people to block constantly with good timing. This encourages many players to exploit errors in the games' tiles or bugs. It's completely a mess. Another issue is players on older devices that encounter low frame rates cant slash the flag very fast. A few months ago, shortly after the release of Graal on Facebook, I sent a suggestion to Stefan on how to fix these issues. This was the King of the Hill system. It seemed great, however after the creation and implementation of it, everyone soon realized a new issue. Players could run around the area to avoid being hit. This caused many players to dislike the system and protest enough for it to be removed on iPhone. Post your ideas on how the perfect tower system would be or how to fix the current issues. Here's some of my ideas: ----simple fixes------- always make defenders spawn outside or somewhere else far away like the new mod on iPhone does. in KOTH, make it so if a player is lagging they don't damage the flag or heal it. in KOTH, make the area that you damage the flag smaller make doors and stairs wider in forts and towers ------------more complicated stuff------------- make more towers on the iPhone server to encourage new guilds make towers of different levels: 1, 2 and 3. Convert the guild time to points, and maybe allow for guild upgrade with these points as well as a permanent score for rankings. higher level forts give more points. New guilds would go for level 1 forts that ideally would only have 3-5 people defending at most(basically what fb has) Big guilds like CoM would go for level 3 forts that are packed(large scale attacks of course and larger flags) any thoughts?

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Talon don't call it a comeback Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 8,268	No offense, and I have nothing against this particular thread but, Why does everyone want to change towers and tower guilds? The formula for towers has been working perfectly fine for two years, and nothing has to change. The only thing that SHOULD change is strategies (temps, sub guilds, etc.) and they do. Towers are fine, it isn't like towers are imbalanced to the point where a tower can be held by a 1:3 defender:attacker ratio. What should change is burgers - some people with thousands and thousands of Gralats and a tower to defend resort to burgers. They can be endless, and people can sit at the bottleneck entrance, eating burgers.

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Rexx User Registered Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,626	Make it so the guild that owns the tower loses the ability to 'Recruit' This would get rid of temps, noob recruiting, and sub guilds It would encourage more planning, preparation, and strategy This is ideal and would never happen unfortunately..

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iHot Graalian Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Belle Isle Posts: 4,481	Who cares towers are decent the way they are i would only do Rexx's idea.

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Pazx amateur gay Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 3,372	Agony you are a god damn massive hypocrite.

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iChronic Registered noob Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Rondoletti Wafer Sticks Posts: 780	nah nah nah nahhh....WHY NOT JUST TURN MOD BACK AS IT WAS BEFORE BUT WITH ARROW PROOF WALLS?

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qes Registered User Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 732	reset...tower...times

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Ryan Verified ✔️ Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 6,041	There are way too many threads about this