Posted by Rexx

No, that would be the Earth's and its natural forces. See this goes back to times when people thought the weather was controlled by gods. There is no higher being that controls these things, it's natural cause.

We're talking about if god exists. In which case he could have stopped it.

Posted by callimuc

I had my opinion based on the wars and so on. Such stuff is made by the nature and needs to awake people living not giving a **** about what they have and how lucky they are. After a tsunami you probably completely realize how wonderful your life was, what you had and how lucky you could have been to have a home. All that will be gone after a tsunami and than you realize - you only looked at what you didn't have, not what you had.

If god exists he could have saved the lives of those people. He still is an awfull person if he needs to kill tenthousands just to let people realize how much they should love their lives.  

Okay this page has reached 10 pages and its starting to get to the point where no one is happy. Its just going to go on forever.  

Posted by -Albus

Yes, but you said religion has a negative effect on the world, which is not true. You're right, anyone can carry out good deeds, but you disregard when people carry out good deeds in the name of religion, but seem quick to jump out all the negative deeds people do in the name of religion. Like I've stated before, everything you seem to "know" about Muslims you've heard from the media, which is why you have such a negative view towards Islam.

Yes, I was assuming, I apologize. However, as South Korean do you feel you face the same type of discrimination that a Muslim does? I know there are negative stereotypes associated with being Korean, but you rarely hear those. Most of the stereotypes you hear probably have to do with you being really good at video games, or really good at math. You probably do not get called a terrorist based on the color of your skin, or have to face extra security measures while boarding an airplane because of your name. You say you live in an open minded city now, so why don't you have a more open mind and try to see things from a religious person's point of view before calling them out on their beliefs?

I am not really calling them out but questioning their beliefs because they are baseless, its not just Islam. I dont agree with any discrimination of anyone and it's sad that happens, I have felt personally discriminated against before and I'm sure many people have as well and know its not a good feeling.  

Posted by Engel

If god exists he could have saved the lives of those people. He still is an awfull person if he needs to kill tenthousands just to let people realize how much they should love their lives.

So people would never learn? When would you bother more for it? When one person is dieing or 10.000's? Like I said before if it's your time to die than it's your time to die, even though that sounds harsh.
And if you want to look at it like that: you bastard are wasting energy on a computer while the global warming is raising causing the ice to smelt on the northpole which causes flooting on a ****load of coasts/countries.  

You guys aren't very good at this.  

Posted by spades of feare

Darwinism, the big bang, pangea,heliocentricity

If you are going to post theories then post evidence. You just posted ideas, the same thing religion does.

Also, keep it nice.  

Posted by Imprint

If you are going to post theories then post evidence. You just posted ideas, the same thing religion does.

There is evidence for Darwinism, and somewhat for Pangea but that won't ever be fully proven as fact even thought it's taught as such in grade school science classes. Posting explanations for everything here would be ridiculous when someone can easily research it on their own. Again religion has baseless ideas, at least the scientific ideas are of legitimate reasoning.  

Posted by Rexx

There is evidence for Darwinism, and somewhat for Pangea but that won't ever be fully proven as fact even thought it's taught as such in grade school science classes. Posting explanations for everything here would be ridiculous when someone can easily research it on their own. Again religion has baseless ideas, at least the scientific ideas are of legitimate reasoning.

I never said I didn't take the theories as fact. Actually, I am athiest but if you make a thread asking religious people to prove their god or gods then if your views are challenged you should be prepared to defend your side. Don't be hypocritical.  

Posted by Rexx

There is evidence for Darwinism, and somewhat for Pangea but that won't ever be fully proven as fact even thought it's taught as such in grade school science classes. Posting explanations for everything here would be ridiculous when someone can easily research it on their own. Again religion has baseless ideas, at least the scientific ideas are of legitimate reasoning.

There's "scientific evidence" for both religion and evolution. I personally think it all comes down to feelings and your own personal opinion. This thread is somewhat pointless considering you can't "prove" that God is real, and you can't prove that he isn't. Believe what you want based on your own experiences and knowledge. For every logical theory, there is always someone who can refute it with an alternative mindset.

I can easily see this thread getting out of hand, but we'll see...  

Posted by Yephenpeace

There's "scientific evidence" for both religion and evolution. I personally think it all comes down to feelings and your own personal opinion. This thread is somewhat pointless considering you can't "prove" that God is real, and you can't prove that he isn't. Believe what you want based on your own experiences and knowledge. For every logical theory, there is always someone who can refute it with an alternative mindset.

I can easily see this thread getting out of hand, but we'll see...

The OP is rhetorical, I know obviously nobody can prove it, thus starting the debate.
And what scientific evidence is there for religion? ;o  

Posted by Rexx

The OP is rhetorical, I know obviously nobody can prove it, thus starting the debate.
And what scientific evidence is there for religion? ;o

Haha, I don't know. Do some unbiased research on the topic if you want.

Just a few google searches and I already found some controversial websites about the topic. Like so: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread163678/pg1

I don't support absolutely everything that website says, I'm just telling you that people have pretty convincing arguments for both sides. I've never really believed in evolution, but I'm not some religious nut who claims to know everything either. I just think for myself, I guess.  

Nothing is 'real'. Rather, we have ideas as we portray as 'real'. An apple is an apple only because we had the idea that, "Hey, that red fruit should be an apple!" Same is for everything else natural.

I, for one, am agnostic, because I'm not going to bother wasting my time worrying about the Almighty above.  

I hope you're kidding Healy, an apple is still real no matter what you say about it.  

Posted by Pazx

I hope you're kidding Healy, an apple is still real no matter what you say about it.

Where is your proof it is called an apple?  

Excuse me, I said nowhere it is called an apple, which of course it is. I merely said it still exists and is therefore real, no matter what you say about it. You can call it an orange, it's still real.