Colin as someone who doesn't participate in GST, you have a tendency to pretend you are experienced in it´s development. Competition is evolving naturally, you can´t force who will take the belt

It do solve things, if NGS guilds and GST guilds were separated and yet you can still gain points to your NGS guild by guild sparring.

It isn't complicated, why ruin something that barely needs to be fixed? and this way almost everyone will acknowledge NGS

Posted by Bryan*

25 vs 25, make it happen

That do be cool tho  

Posted by Jimbo

Competition is evolving naturally, you can´t force who will take the belt

Never said you could or even said anything remotely related to this, in fact, the only thing regarding competition I told Darkk was to have people practice more and get better at guild sparring, or 'evolving' as you put it.

My whole post isn't even regarding GST as a whole, just how GST could work with the NGS primarily focusing on the NGS aspect, which is common sense and not something you need several belts to understand so I don't understand your post at all.

We aren't here to debate whether or not it's going to happen, it's been stated it will so all I'm doing is trying to explain how the changes aren't as bad as they are claiming.

Posted by Jimbo

if NGS guilds and GST guilds were separated and yet you can still gain points to your NGS guild by guild sparring.

Yah I said that, maybe next time read my post before addressing me.

Your guild deserves the points if they win, nothing unfair about that.  

props on all this new guild system ideas, again who's making the decisions here primary sparrers or staff.

Posted by Comyt

doesn't matter all of this was supposed to happen in january 2016 and we're still talking about it like it's coming out next week

Graal man.. we still got remi+marion quests, graal 3D, zone new tileset, Graal new client, Graal Worlds, Graal editor app, millions of graalonline classic subliminal messages/random doors locks/tent etc etc yet to see.. but don't worry stay around few years and you'll see a new door that's locked  

Posted by Thallen

The most rational explanation for combining the tournaments is so that NGS guilds don't feel pressured to recruit 14 out of 50? roster spots dedicating to a tournament that happens four times a year. However, I feel like having only 7 out of 50? participating in a GST is going to create a weird GST atmosphere anyway. 43 other people aren't going to be humble enough to just sit out, so it's either going to encourage new and temporary guilds specifically for the GST (which is the exact problem the NGS should be fixing) or it's going to leave people feeling unhappy. I'm not really sure how the best way to handle it would be.

This was something I remember discussing with a few friends. The solution I came up with is that the guild that wins will be allowed to donate the points to whichever guild they choose (I also imagined a condition that one of your members would have to be in the guild you choose to donate to). This solution seems like it would fix the large drop in competition that would result from the GST giving out guild points.

Without a solution like this a guild would want to keep the 43 members that aren't on the team out of the tournament in case they were to lose to them. Having 43 members sit out of the GST seems like a disgusting reality to me, and something that would kinda ruin the culture around the GST. But this solution, the donation, seems like it would solve all of those issues. As a leader you would want to have as many members as you can compete, to increase your chances of winning the prize. Temporary tags would still be created, but that is unavoidable if you want to not destroy competition in its current format. However, this could suffer from arguments of who the points should go to (I would imagine that choice would be made pre-tournament, though)

Another option could be to have to the individual members earn points, and not the tags they use. So the 7 winning members would get to choose where their points go, instead of having all the points be allocated altogether. This would remove the possibility of disputes and arguments over which guild gets the points. My only concerns would be that, in this option, guilds could have members forfeit because the opposing team has more members of their actual NGS guild than they do.

Has anyone else come up with ideas for a solution to the participation issue?  

I need to see a 1v25 comeback  

Graal Rumors: Xor fired Lollipop because she dumped him???  

graal rumours: rufus rigged gst so northern sign would win  

Posted by Colin

You clearly don't understand the point of the system, everyone makes individual contributions and people who do so through spar are just doing theirs.

Because the GST requires more skill in comparison to an activity like pking that you could be effective at if you shut your eyes and aimlessly tornado spam...

Posted by Colin

What do you mean 'necessary'? Just have people practice more and get better, where's your logic here?

Again, no one has really improved in the last 2 years man. For example, you see VIS and Male members GS all season, I'll come back after not sparring for 2 months and still be clearly better than all of them (no offence.) If my NGS guild lost a GST, I'd rather bank on kicking one for room (getting punished?) and recruiting an already established outside talent instead of using the exact same team

Posted by Colin

Plan your recruitment process? Not all 50 people are going to want to spar, the point is to gather people who are interested in different activities of the game.

The GST will remain Graal's only competitive aspect. The NGS competitiveness will die off after a season or so. it's cool tho, lets exclude 45/50 from sparring lol... Or let them enter on a different tag. So much for the guild loyalty system

Posted by Colin

Can't say this until you've tried it.

I've pked up to 200k, towered for 7-10 1k hats and entered 14 GSTs. The GSTs are 10x more fun for me. I'm positive this applies for the majority of the spar community.

Posted by Saeed

Edit: sticking to 2 gsts ( idev and mixed) will have the same result/effects as submitting two teams in one guild for one Gst.

The first thing Saeed has stated that is even remotely accurate... The GST will have the same result, Male will never win lolll

Posted by Jimbo

Colin as someone who doesn't participate in GST, you have a tendency to pretend you are experienced in it´s development. Competition is evolving naturally, you can´t force who will take the belt

Jimbo as someone who has never beat a relevant team in a GST and has entered for 4 years, with only one 3rd place placement to show for it, you have a tendency to pretend you are relevant in the GST/ spar community.

No need to call Colin out, he's raising valid points and creating a healthy debate (until you brought you're cancerous attitude here)  

graals free to install but its also free to uninstall  

Posted by Red

graal rumours: rufus rigged gst so northern sign would win

We won by absolute skill. No rigging involved, pure skill, PURE 3 MONTHS OF BLOOD SWEAT AND TEARS! DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS AND ARE YOU SAYING THAT THIS was just a doing of an admin?... I mean, its hard enough to benchwarm...

Posted by GotenGraal

Graal rumors:
-Carly is a man
-Doublelift is a homosexual
-Rebellious got carried by Nathan and Goten did absolutely nothing.

U started all those rumors, didnt you xd. And damn, i had no idea you would be so self-deprecating...  

Posted by GotenGraal

Graal rumors:
-Carly is a man
-Doublelift is a homosexual
-Austin Koga Aka Rainmaker became depressed and almost took his own life after losing iDev gst with Grvty round 1 against 4 negative sparrers

-kaios is white  

Posted by Comyt

doesn't matter all of this was supposed to happen in january 2016 and we're still talking about it like it's coming out next week

Must spread rep.  

Posted by Darkk

Because the GST requires more skill in comparison to an activity like pking that you could be effective at if you shut your eyes and aimlessly tornado spam...


Again, no one has really improved in the last 2 years man. For example, you see VIS and Male members GS all season, I'll come back after not sparring for 2 months and still be clearly better than all of them (no offence.) If my NGS guild lost a GST, I'd rather bank on kicking one for room (getting punished?) and recruiting an already established outside talent instead of using the exact same team



The GST will remain Graal's only competitive aspect. The NGS competitiveness will die off after a season or so. it's cool tho, lets exclude 45/50 from sparring lol... Or let them enter on a different tag. So much for the guild loyalty system


I've pked up to 200k, towered for 7-10 1k hats and entered 14 GSTs. The GSTs are 10x more fun for me. I'm positive this applies for the majority of the spar community.




The first thing Saeed has stated that is even remotely accurate... The GST will have the same result, Male will never win lolll



Jimbo as someone who has never beat a relevant team in a GST and has entered for 4 years, with only one 3rd place placement to show for it, you have a tendency to pretend you are relevant in the GST/ spar community.

No need to call Colin out, he's raising valid points and creating a healthy debate (until you brought you're cancerous attitude here)

Just went through your cringe/made up facts and I have only done 5-6 GST in total, Rexxx has done 4 or 5  

ahh when I've only ever done one gst (mixed, for fun with friends) and do better than Jimbo has for his "5-6" attempts

I think we'll have to wait until the change happens to fully understand it, it could even have rules like requiring a certain number of Mixed/iDevice players, idk, we don't have an idea of how it works until it's out

you could enter with any guild, and I can see that happening, but no one's sure if hats will be discontinued or not, will just be about winning rights and the belt I guess, which I'm sure most active GSers would love even without a hat  

Posted by Jimbo

Just went through your cringe/made up facts and I have only done 5-6 GST in total, Rexxx has done 4 or 5

Yeah just like you don't VPN lol... You can only fool yourself.

Posted by Colin

you could enter with any guild

So guilds are created with the sole purpose to enter the GST, the tag won't be used again and if they potentially win they would gain the points (to a guild that isn't involved in the NGS.) This defeats the purpose of combing the GST and NGS. End of discussion

The only thing wrong with the GST is how literally every guild recruits outsiders in order to gain points. The most suitable way to fix this would be implementing some system that only allows core and sub members to gain points for the guild. Then again this is unfair for the guilds that had to disband and recreate a guild because their points were insufficient when sparring with cores...