Posted by Tyler

For only $60.00 a year that's not much at all.

For me, $60.00 a year is a lot. Also, again, its the ONLY console with online service in the history of the video game industry that makes you pay. So regardless of what you say, it IS a huge amount of money compared to anything else.

Posted by Tyler

The playlists contain the same gametypes as other playlists just with different maps. You don't need them to play on the other playlists with those same gametypes. I'm specifically listing some PS3 exclusives because that's where I see it the most. For example, in Little Big Planet 2 people create community objects as rewards to players for completing their level. However, if you don't have the proper DLC you cannot use the items they created rendering the prizes useless. Also, in All Stars you cannot play as the characters until you pay $4.99 for each. Do you have to? No. You most likely will want them after seeing other players use them against you online. Of course, that differs from each individual. Your statement is wrong about the $14.99 map packs. It's $20.00 for 1,600 Microsoft Points so half of which is 800 which is how much the maps are making them only $10.00. Xbox has other good exclusives such as Fable 2 which aren't as popular now, but still good.

There have been a few map packs that were the equivalent of $15.00. That's regardless of my point I was trying to make though. The PS3 has ALL THE SAME GAMES as the Xbox outside of Halo, Gears, and Forza basically. Because the Xbox's library consists of almost entirely multiplatform games. So, they have the SAME DLC. And guess what? The DLC you are complaining about in just two Playstation exclusives (out of the huge amount of exclusives available on the platform) are commonplace in almost every game! So you don't even have a point being made here! You can play as the characters in All Stars, the DLC you are talking about is expansion packs with new characters. This is seen all the time in fighters such as Street Fighter X Tekken. The same thing goes to Little Big Planet, as in every game you cannot access DLC content without buying it. Its the players choice to irrationally use DLC content in their rewards, not Sony's.

Posted by Tyler

I think I listed a couple in my first paragraph.

This is what you said in your first paragraph:

""Tne reason I pay is to play with my friends and talk with them in a party while we play a game. The Xbox 360 also has good exclusives that I love playing online against people. Another advantage is being able to be signed in on multiple accounts (whether it's with a friend or someone) on a game.""

Nothing here is a major advantage over the PS3. The only thing you pointed out was party chat. Like I said, the only reason people buy Xbox Live is because their friends have it, and I'm pretty sure that's basically what you're implying. There is no significant advantage besides redundant things like party chat considering most people just use Skype when talking to their friends over the internet.

Also, how can you say Xbox has better online games than Playstation? I'm serious. Halo. Gears, and Forza are the only exclusive franchises on Xbox Live that have an established multiplayer. Want to know which franchises have established multiplayer that are exclusive to PS3? Journey, Warhawk, Uncharted, Gran Turismo, God of War, Socom, Killzone, Resistance, and regardless what you say Little Big Planet. Also, the PS3 has all the multiplatform multiplayer games that exist such as CoD and Battlefield 3. If you seriously think Forza, Gears and Halo are still a testament against the PS3's large library of online exclusives, you have another thing coming. Oh, and the fable franchise is basically dead now (look at the Kinect game that was released a few years ago).  

Posted by Rexx

Again just a rumor, on the next Xbox they will have a "Platinum" subscription that is suppose to have more perks than Gold, and will of course cost more.

Did someone say.... Platinum?


Lol anyway if Microsoft follows EA's path then I'm not buying it. If it doesn't, I will.
Also Netflix is great! It's worth getting, and so is Xbox Live. Hannah Montana MARATHON YAY!  

Posted by Tyler

For only $60.00 a year that's not much at all.




This doesn't have to do with paying with live, but I much more enjoy the Xbox 360 controller over the PS3. One reason I pay is to play with my friends and talk with them in a party while we play a game. The Xbox 360 also has good exclusives that I love playing online against people. Another advantage is being able to be signed in on multiple accounts (whether it's with a friend or someone) on a game. The PS3 has to have in a built in feature in the game in order to do that. The online isn't always free either. If you lose your online pass to a game that requires it, you have to buy a new one. Does anyone enjoy paying for online? I certainly don't, but I will to play online exclusives and talk to friends. It's worth the money to me.




The playlists contain the same gametypes as other playlists just with different maps. You don't need them to play on the other playlists with those same gametypes. I'm specifically listing some PS3 exclusives because that's where I see it the most. For example, in Little Big Planet 2 people create community objects as rewards to players for completing their level. However, if you don't have the proper DLC you cannot use the items they created rendering the prizes useless. Also, in All Stars you cannot play as the characters until you pay $4.99 for each. Do you have to? No. You most likely will want them after seeing other players use them against you online. Of course, that differs from each individual. Your statement is wrong about the $14.99 map packs. It's $20.00 for 1,600 Microsoft Points so half of which is 800 which is how much the maps are making them only $10.00. Xbox has other good exclusives such as Fable 2 which aren't as popular now, but still good.



I think I listed a couple in my first paragraph.

EDIT: I'd also like to mention it's free reward program for when you complete offers and purchase items you get Microsoft points. It may not be the best, but I have earned 630 points from it along with 80 currently pending.

I get 50$ for my birthday..  

going out of my way to buy a competing console  

Posted by Pimpsy G.

For me, $60.00 a year is a lot. Also, again, its the ONLY console with online service in the history of the video game industry that makes you pay. So regardless of what you say, it IS a huge amount of money compared to anything else.

We can argue all day whether it's a large amount a lot. I think this comes down to personal opinion because $60 is not a lot to me in a year. There's no rule saying online services for gaming consoles have to be free.

Posted by Pimpsy G.

There have been a few map packs that were the equivalent of $15.00. That's regardless of my point I was trying to make though. The PS3 has ALL THE SAME GAMES as the Xbox outside of Halo, Gears, and Forza basically. Because the Xbox's library consists of almost entirely multiplatform games. So, they have the SAME DLC. And guess what? The DLC you are complaining about in just two Playstation exclusives (out of the huge amount of exclusives available on the platform) are commonplace in almost every game! So you don't even have a point being made here! You can play as the characters in All Stars, the DLC you are talking about is expansion packs with new characters. This is seen all the time in fighters such as Street Fighter X Tekken. The same thing goes to Little Big Planet, as in every game you cannot access DLC content without buying it. Its the players choice to irrationally use DLC content in their rewards, not Sony's.

I know both systems have the same DLC for the games that are on both consoles. I was listing the exclusives because I see more DLC on those games than a lot of the multi-platform ones. I was listing the DLCs specifically because they were not on the Xbox 360. All Stars according to this page has 136 DLC of in-game items, Uncharted 3 has around 360 DLC for in-game items, and if you wanna count the Little Big Planet DLC be my guest. I'm listing these games because they are popular exclusives that promote a lot of extra in-game items. I know you don't have to buy DLC, but the PS3 seems to put the player at the position where they have to. Win a level on Little Big Planet online. Oops! Don't have the DLC to use the items I've won. Someone creates a shareable costume. Oops! Don't have the DLC to use the costume. You want these taunts on Uncharted? You have to pay $.99 cents for each one. Oh look, you can play Uncharted and earn this item or pay $2.99 to unlock it now! Now us players can buy all the items without earning them like the others did. I do not see an Xbox exclusive where you are effected from people buying DLC. It's always maps. Name the Halo maps if you would be so kind because I have never seen them exceed 800 MS points. Prove me wrong.

Posted by Pimpsy G.

""Tne reason I pay is to play with my friends and talk with them in a party while we play a game. The Xbox 360 also has good exclusives that I love playing online against people. Another advantage is being able to be signed in on multiple accounts (whether it's with a friend or someone) on a game.""

Nothing here is a major advantage over the PS3. The only thing you pointed out was party chat. Like I said, the only reason people buy Xbox Live is because their friends have it, and I'm pretty sure that's basically what you're implying. There is no significant advantage besides redundant things like party chat considering most people just use Skype when talking to their friends over the internet.

Wrong. You said list an advantage. Signing in on multiple accounts without a built in game feature is an advantage. You are also forgetting about the PS3 having to buy an online pass if you lost yours for a game that requires it. So here are the advantages I see the Xbox 360 having:

-Xbox Live party chat.
-Signed in on multiple accounts without a built in game feature.
-Certain Game exclusives (whether they are better or not comes down to personal opinion)
-Free Rewards Program

This goes without saying that the PS3 has some good advantages too. There are probably more for each system, but I haven't played my PS3 enough to become an expert on the features of each system.

Posted by Pimpsy G.

Also, how can you say Xbox has better online games than Playstation? I'm serious. Halo. Gears, and Forza are the only exclusive franchises on Xbox Live that have an established multiplayer. Want to know which franchises have established multiplayer that are exclusive to PS3? Journey, Warhawk, Uncharted, Gran Turismo, God of War, Socom, Killzone, Resistance, and regardless what you say Little Big Planet. Also, the PS3 has all the multiplatform multiplayer games that exist such as CoD and Battlefield 3. If you seriously think Forza, Gears and Halo are still a testament against the PS3's large library of online exclusives, you have another thing coming. Oh, and the fable franchise is basically dead now (look at the Kinect game that was released a few years ago).

Mmm I beg to differ sir. The Left 4 Dead series isn't on the PS3 is it? It may not be an Xbox exclusive, but it's not on the PS3. Crackdown 2 is also another good example. Established good online multiplayer and fun. Why have me list them when there's a whole list right here. A game isn't dead until everyone stops playing it. Same with life when your heart stops beating. It seems you're going by the amount of exclusives that go online. I'm just satisfied with Halo itself.  

Posted by Tyler

We can argue all day whether it's a large amount a lot. I think this comes down to personal opinion because $60 is not a lot to me in a year. There's no rule saying online services for gaming consoles have to be free.



I know both systems have the same DLC for the games that are on both consoles. I was listing the exclusives because I see more DLC on those games than a lot of the multi-platform ones. I was listing the DLCs specifically because they were not on the Xbox 360. All Stars according to this page has 136 DLC of in-game items, Uncharted 3 has around 360 DLC for in-game items, and if you wanna count the Little Big Planet DLC be my guest. I'm listing these games because they are popular exclusives that promote a lot of extra in-game items. I know you don't have to buy DLC, but the PS3 seems to put the player at the position where they have to. Win a level on Little Big Planet online. Oops! Don't have the DLC to use the items I've won. Someone creates a shareable costume. Oops! Don't have the DLC to use the costume. You want these taunts on Uncharted? You have to pay $.99 cents for each one. Oh look, you can play Uncharted and earn this item or pay $2.99 to unlock it now! Now us players can buy all the items without earning them like the others did. I do not see an Xbox exclusive where you are effected from people buying DLC. It's always maps. Name the Halo maps if you would be so kind because I have never seen them exceed 800 MS points. Prove me wrong.



Wrong. You said list an advantage. Signing in on multiple accounts without a built in game feature is an advantage. You are also forgetting about the PS3 having to buy an online pass if you lost yours for a game that requires it. So here are the advantages I see the Xbox 360 having:

-Xbox Live party chat.
-Signed in on multiple accounts without a built in game feature.
-Certain Game exclusives (whether they are better or not comes down to personal opinion)
-Free Rewards Program

This goes without saying that the PS3 has some good advantages too. There are probably more for each system, but I haven't played my PS3 enough to become an expert on the features of each system.



Mmm I beg to differ sir. The Left 4 Dead series isn't on the PS3 is it? It may not be an Xbox exclusive, but it's not on the PS3. Crackdown 2 is also another good example. Established good online multiplayer and fun. Why have me list them when there's a whole list right here. A game isn't dead until everyone stops playing it. Same with life when your heart stops beating. It seems you're going by the amount of exclusives that go online. I'm just satisfied with Halo itself.

60$ might not be a lot to you, but it's expensive and unnecessary for others.  

Posted by CourierSix

60$ might not be a lot to you, but it's expensive and unnecessary for others.

Well then Xbox Live isn't for you.  

Posted by Tyler

We can argue all day whether it's a large amount a lot. I think this comes down to personal opinion because $60 is not a lot to me in a year. There's no rule saying online services for gaming consoles have to be free.

No, there isn't a rule. But I'm saying that there's no point in buying the xbox from my perspective because I can get the same services for free elsewhere and with the same level of quality content. That's the entire point of this discussion remember?

Posted by Tyler

Wrong. You said list an advantage. Signing in on multiple accounts without a built in game feature is an advantage. You are also forgetting about the PS3 having to buy an online pass if you lost yours for a game that requires it. So here are the advantages I see the Xbox 360 having:

-Xbox Live party chat.
-Signed in on multiple accounts without a built in game feature.
-Certain Game exclusives (whether they are better or not comes down to personal opinion)
-Free Rewards Program

I love how you just said "Wrong." In that first sentence, this is supposed to be a discussion about differing opinions. Not a back and fourth about who is "Right" on the issue. To me, Xbox Live party chat is not an advantage at all in any sense because I can use skype for... (free)... and chat with my friends. Signing in on multiple accounts is a small advantage if you're planning on playing splitscreen with someone. But that's it really. There, you named one. Thankyou. But at least to me, but its not worth $60.00 per year from my standing so it doesn't really detract from the point I was trying to make. I've seen the free rewards program on the Xbox. It has barley any content. The "certain game exclusives" you are talking about is actually a disadvantage considering that every single other console in the competition has more exclusives than the Xbox.

Posted by Tyler

Mmm I beg to differ sir. The Left 4 Dead series isn't on the PS3 is it? It may not be an Xbox exclusive, but it's not on the PS3. Crackdown 2 is also another good example. Established good online multiplayer and fun. Why have me list them when there's a whole list right here. A game isn't dead until everyone stops playing it. Same with life when your heart stops beating. It seems you're going by the amount of exclusives that go online.I'm just satisfied with Halo itself.

Posted by Tyler

I know both systems have the same DLC for the games that are on both consoles. I was listing the exclusives because I see more DLC on those games than a lot of the multi-platform ones. I was listing the DLCs specifically because they were not on the Xbox 360. All Stars according to this page has 136 DLC of in-game items, Uncharted 3 has around 360 DLC for in-game items, and if you wanna count the Little Big Planet DLC be my guest. I'm listing these games because they are popular exclusives that promote a lot of extra in-game items. Now us players can buy all the items without earning them like the others did. I do not see an Xbox exclusive where you are effected from people buying DLC. It's always maps. Name the Halo maps if you would be so kind because I have never seen them exceed 800 MS points. Prove me wrong.

From what I have seen with Little Big Planet 2 the DLC is entirely cosmetic so I don't see your point at all as to why not getting some trophies from custom maps is a bad thing. The same thing seems to be true with your uncharted example, as losing the ability to "taunt" isn't really going to detract anything from your experience unless you're really jealous of those people that have it.

You're missing my entire point though. I'm not trying to directly compare PS3 exclusives to Xbox exclusives in terms of DLC. I'm comparing the Xbox's library in respect to the rest of the gaming market in general. And, when you look at it that way, the xbox's library is almost entirely multiplatform compare to what other gaming machines have to offer. So games like Left 4 Dead (that is available elsewhere on PC and doesn't require high end specs) are irrelevant, considering we are talking about reasons why anyone should actually buy the xbox console.

You seem to not be understanding why I'm not comparing the Xbox exclusive DLC quality directly to the PS3 exclusive DLC quality. Here's a better analogy so you can wrap your head around what I am trying to convey, say you have two groups of people. Group A has about 100 people, Group B has 5. A person inspects the hygiene of the two groups and finds 10 people in group A with bad hygiene, and no one with group B with bad Hygiene. The inspector then concludes that group B has better hygiene than group A. Sort of an illegitimate comparison isn't it? Especially if the Hygiene problems the inspector is pointing out are just simple allergies that really don't mean anything significant.

And about those Halo Map packs, the last time I checked xbox Live the anniversary map pack for Halo reach was around $15.00. That skewed my memory to think that a significant number of the map packs were this much when that was not true at all. Sorry. I wasn't trying to pull numbers out of my ass to prove you wrong about an issue that is irrelevant to my point or something.


Here's a quick summary of my points so that I can tie them all together considering it may be kinda hard to understand what I'm trying to say with that wall of text. There are very few advantages regarding Xbox Live and not enough quality exclusives to justify the purchase of an Xbox. Sure, Playstaion may have minor problems with a few of their exclusives regarding DLC but this does not retract from the massive and diverse library it offers compared to the Xbox in terms of gameplay. In the end, there isn't really any significant reason to buy an Xbox unless you really enjoy playing games on splitscreen.  

Xbox 360 has Viva Pinata.
Checkmate Sony.  

Posted by Pimpsy G.

No, there isn't a rule. But I'm saying that there's no point in buying the xbox from my perspective because I can get the same services for free elsewhere and with the same level of quality content. That's the entire point of this discussion remember?



I love how you just said "Wrong." In that first sentence, this is supposed to be a discussion about differing opinions. Not a back and fourth about who is "Right" on the issue. To me, Xbox Live party chat is not an advantage at all in any sense because I can use skype for... (free)... and chat with my friends. Signing in on multiple accounts is a small advantage if you're planning on playing splitscreen with someone. But that's it really. There, you named one. Thankyou. But at least to me, but its not worth $60.00 per year from my standing so it doesn't really detract from the point I was trying to make. I've seen the free rewards program on the Xbox. It has barley any content. The "certain game exclusives" you are talking about is actually a disadvantage considering that every single other console in the competition has more exclusives than the Xbox.

I said wrong to this, "Nothing here is a major advantage over the PS3." You just said an advantage so I gave one whether it's seen as big or not. I don't care if Xbox lacks as many exclusives as other consoles because they have a long lasting appeal in my opinion. Why would I need more exclusives when I'm still playing the one I have?

Posted by Pimpsy G.

From what I have seen with Little Big Planet 2 the DLC is entirely cosmetic so I don't see your point at all as to why not getting some trophies from custom maps is a bad thing. The same thing seems to be true with your uncharted example, as losing the ability to "taunt" isn't really going to detract anything from your experience unless you're really jealous of those people that have it.

There are packs with objects in which players create their custom content with and if someone who wins the award does not have it, they can't use the object. I mean you don't need community objects to play the game, but it defeats the purpose of custom prizes if no one can use them. True, taunts aren't going to ruin your gameplay, but I feel they should be already included with the game. The part about Uncharted I don't like are buying shortcuts. I know other games do that like Battlefield 3 so Uncharted isn't alone. I guess my first statement about them making a load of their money on DLC can't be proven without actual statistics about how much they make from them.

Posted by Pimpsy G.

You're missing my entire point though. I'm not trying to directly compare PS3 exclusives to Xbox exclusives in terms of DLC. I'm comparing the Xbox's library in respect to the rest of the gaming market in general. And, when you look at it that way, the xbox's library is almost entirely multiplatform compare to what other gaming machines have to offer. So games like Left 4 Dead (that is available elsewhere on PC and doesn't require high end specs) are irrelevant, considering we are talking about reasons why anyone should actually buy the xbox console.

If my PC is unable to handle Left 4 Dead and I have an Xbox 360 in which I can buy it wouldn't it make sense to buy it on the 360 instead of getting a new computer? If I had a PS3 if I really wanted to play Left 4 Dead I would need a new computer just to play it. Or maybe just in general I don't like PC gaming and I want it on my Xbox.

Posted by Pimpsy G.

Here's a quick summary of my points so that I can tie them all together. There are very few advantages regarding Xbox Live and not enough quality exclusives to justify the purchase of an Xbox. Sure, Playstaion may have minor problems with a few of their exclusives regarding DLC but this does not retract from the massive and diverse library it offers compared to the Xbox. In the end, there isn't really any significant reason to buy an Xbox unless you really enjoy playing games on splitscreen.

I didn't like that sentence. Now you're directly talking about the Xbox rather than Xbox Live. What if a person didn't use Live and just played offline. Maybe they like the controller better, the exclusive games, or whatever the case. I do not enjoy paying $60.00 a year just so I can play a few exclusive games that I have to pay another $60.00 for, use a controller I feel more comfortable with, splitscreen, and talking to friends in a party. If the price increases any further like it did before I will have no choice but to stop paying for Xbox Live and switch to the PS3 for all my games. As of now though Xbox Live is just another fee I have to deal with to use those small advantages. Both systems are good, but I guess I've grown too accustomed to the Xbox and didn't really mind paying $60.00 since I enjoy it so much. Maybe $60.00 isn't a lot to me because I get spoiled with money around the holidays from relatives and my parents. We all have our opinions and it should make people more thrilled than anything to see Xbox Live users throw $60.00 down the drain while they play for free if they feel that way. Maybe some day I'll see the light and realize I have been paying too much, but right now I'm going to stick with Xbox for my own reasons.

I don't blame you if you didn't read my entire post. I got a headache just typing it. I respect your opinion and I probably am paying too much and don't realize it yet. Perhaps I'll see the light some day.  

Posted by Rexx

Xbox 360 has Viva Pinata.
Checkmate Sony.

:O I love Viva Pinata! Add me LuckyStar321  

Posted by Tyler

I said wrong to this, "Nothing here is a major advantage over the PS3." You just said an advantage so I gave one whether it's seen as big or not. I don't care if Xbox lacks as many exclusives as other consoles because they have a long lasting appeal in my opinion. Why would I need more exclusives when I'm still playing the one I have?

For some reason I get really flustered when people start paragraphs with "Wrong", or "Nope" when in the middle of a debate. Not sure why, its just one of those weird pet peeves I have. I acknowledged in my previous response that I was wrong about Xbox Live not having a few (minor) advantages, like you said. Sorry about ironically lashing out.

The main reason why I feel that only having a few exclsuives is a bad thing is because, naturally, it limits the amount of varied gameplay a gamer can experience. So, because of the PS3's exclsuvies, it offers a wider array of experiences in my opinion. I like more single player games with enticing story and innovative gameplay, like Journey. But the PS3 has plenty of exclusives with lasting appeal as well. And these exclusives generally have more varied gameplay than the typical saturated military shooter that congests over half of the western market. Ni Nu Kuni can last over 50 hours depending on how you play the game. And the graphics are gorgeous! Its studio Ghibli for crying out loud!

Posted by Tyler

I didn't like that sentence. Now you're directly talking about the Xbox rather than Xbox Live. What if [examples listing the xbox's appealing features]

Yeah, I know. That's my opinion: That there isn't really any reason to buy an Xbox outside of a few online features that aren't important to me. To me, the quality exclusives are few and far between compared to the competition and the online is not worth the price. I was originally bringing up Xbox Live because it was one of the primary reasons that I didn't want to buy the console, and one of the reasons I probably wouldn't buy the next one. The discussion at least from my perspective isn't limited to Xbox Live as we are talking about if it is worth buying the new xbox or not in general.

Posted by Tyler

Maybe some day I'll see the light and realize I have been paying too much, but right now I'm going to stick with Xbox for my own reasons.

I'm not trying to convert you to believing my opinion or anything. Sorry for making it seem like that. All a discussion really is supposed to be is a sharing of ideas. I think I need to work on my maturity when doing this because I have a feeling I'm coming off as rude, arrogant, and passive aggressive. That would explain why whenever I get into a discussion with someone about literally anything; it always turns into a long, drawn out argument. Usually its about religion or politics though lol.

Posted by Tyler

I don't blame you if you didn't read my entire post. I got a headache just typing it. I respect your opinion and I probably am paying too much and don't realize it yet. Perhaps I'll see the light some day.

Hmm? I read the entirety of your post 3 times. The reason I left some stuff out in the quotes was because I didn't want my response to be insanely long (even though it ended up still being notably long regardless).  

Posted by Pimpsy G.

Hmm? I read the entirety of your post 3 times. The reason I left some stuff out in the quotes was because I didn't want my response to be insanely long (even though it ended up still being notably long regardless).

I meant the current post I was typing. I probably wrote more than I should have lol.  

loool

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Posted by Crono

loool

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/new...r_outburst2013

Got what he deserved for being such a prick.