Posted by Aguzo

I wasn't going to delete that.

I didn't say alex has used a vpn. I already stated so many times, staff have to check other people in that country's ping. If they find enough people similar, then it's most likely lag. If not, "how is this person the only one with this amount of ping?" They give the person a warning, and if they continue to have super high ping way above everyone else, then yeah.

I know what you're tryna say but Dark said Australians have different amounts of lag...So have all the other Australians...so what people are tryna say is checking their country's ping isn't gonna be that useful in some scenarios if one part of the country is laggy and the other isn't...Also you gotta take into consideration peoples ISPs...  

Posted by Kuz

I know what you're tryna say but Dark said Australians have different amounts of lag...So have all the other Australians...so what people are tryna say is checking their country's ping isn't gonna be that useful in some scenarios if one part of the country is laggy and the other isn't...Also you gotta take into consideration peoples ISPs...

It's not going to be, "okay let's check timmy and bobby, if they are low, then this person get's warned"... no it's not going to be a checkup on just 2 people. They would have to check a lot, before they decide if someone is obviously cheating. If you check enough people, you will see that a lot of the legit one's are around the same latency. The one's that are higher, they would have to find enough people around the same latency as well. Super high latency, same thing.  

Posted by *Dae

Aguzos baseless theories are for the most part horsesh*t. I genuinely feel sorry for anyone who took his posts with any modicum of seriousness.

Now thats ironic that dae is commenting on a thread targeting vpn users lol. Dude used a vpn before graal kids knew what a vpn was, not to mention he was the dragon ball z fan club gst leader (vpn guild.)

Don't know why people are roasting aguzo, he raises a valid point. Red tried to insult aguzo, and dae went full offensive as the whole how to find a vpn thread really hit home.

Highly derogatory that red calls anyone else an idiot, considering how he displays himself in public and the fact that he lives in a "semi-rural" area. Australian's who live in semi-rural areas make up the lower 40 percentile of study scores (VCE/HSC scores) in the final year of highschool- across the respective state. Note, thats averaging a fail on every assessment. In addition they are all rednecks/bogans.  

Posted by Darkk

Now thats ironic that dae is commenting on a thread targeting vpn users lol. Dude used a vpn before graal kids knew what a vpn was, not to mention he was the dragon ball z fan club gst leader (vpn guild.)

Don't know why people are roasting aguzo, he raises a valid point. Red tried to insult aguzo, and dae went full offensive as the whole how to find a vpn thread really hit home.

Highly derogatory that red calls anyone else an idiot, considering how he displays himself in public and the fact that he lives in a "semi-rural" area. Australian's who live in semi-rural areas make up the lower 40 percentile of study scores (VCE/HSC scores) in the final year of highschool- across the respective state. Note, thats averaging a fail on every assessment. In addition they are all rednecks/bogans.

You're trying waaaaaaaayyyyy too hard for something nobody will find funny  

Posted by Fulgore

You're trying waaaaaaaayyyyy too hard for something nobody will find funny

2 minutes give or take 1 is minimal effort. Waaaayyyy too hard, true  

Posted by Darkk

Now thats ironic that dae is commenting on a thread targeting vpn users lol. Dude used a vpn before graal kids knew what a vpn was, not to mention he was the dragon ball z fan club gst leader (vpn guild.)

Don't know why people are roasting aguzo, he raises a valid point. Red tried to insult aguzo, and dae went full offensive as the whole how to find a vpn thread really hit home.

This is so cute, you coming to the rescue of your dear friend Aguzo. Man, you just can't write love stories like this. The only way you and your dearest Aguzo will ever be satisfied with the sparring system is if everyone except you two were banned from sparring/gs. You'd finally be able to live out your fantasy of being good at sparring. Hell, you two can spend days on end circle jerking each other about spar rankings. Only to conclude that you're both tied for the GOAT position.

These VPN comments you make are almost as cute as your questionable relationship with Aguzo. It seems like every time you lose in a GS its everybody else's fault, but your own. I've seen you throw around these baseless accusations at basically anyone you don't like or who is better than you. But just to throw an alternative idea out there, just maybe you're not actually half as good as you think you are. It seems like the only way you think you'll be able to compete with the rest of the GS community is if you drag them down to your low level or just by not allowing them to compete, instead of bettering yourself.  

Posted by Aguzo

Vpn is one of the methods that I listed. I listed it as a way to easily spot vpners, their flags switch a lot. Does not say "you delay, you only use vpn"


Lagging excessively, means that you are disrupting your connection. Could be on purpose, could probably not be. Never said that warping = vpn. I said if you are delaying, and warping, then it could be due to the fact that you are forcing delay. When your ms gets around 100+ more than what you normally should be running at, then you start skipping a little, the higher your ms is, the more warp you will have.

If you keep your ms low, then you shouldn't be warping consistently. On iOS, which is especially, since it's optimized better than PC, it's a lot easier to keep your ms low, even if your family is using wifi. I don't know how to use a vpn, so I can't really say that using a vpn will make you warp or anything. All I know, is that it shows, when you are constantly changing flags. As for the other methods, you can range from forcing a little between a lot of delay, the higher you go, the more you skip, and the more noticeable it is.

I'm just gonna reply to this since I know this thread is getting outta hand and try to keep this on topic. I get it you don't you didn't directly said lag=VPN, and VPN is just one of the programs that may be used and whatnot. But I don't think majority of spar have heard of these programs to even be using them to begin with, so the most obvious your refferin to is VPN. And no you never said "if your delaying cleanly and you warp that it COULD mean you forcing delay(VPN)" you said that if your warping while delaying cleanly then you ARE using something to force delay "plain and simple" I wouldn't be arguing this if you didn't say that everyone who is warping uses a program to force delay/lag, which is basically what you have said. I'd love to if I was warping and decide to spar, that I wouldn't be accused of using something to force my delay because of this thread.  

^Effort? I didn't discuss the spar ranking thing with aguzo. I don't even talk to him. Anyways dae, vpns are being banned these days, so see-ya?

Alex and David arguing with what aguzo said is constructive  

Posted by Aguzo

It's not going to be, "okay let's check timmy and bobby, if they are low, then this person get's warned"... no it's not going to be a checkup on just 2 people. They would have to check a lot, before they decide if someone is obviously cheating. If you check enough people, you will see that a lot of the legit one's are around the same latency. The one's that are higher, they would have to find enough people around the same latency as well. Super high latency, same thing.

I understand what u mean...your OP I agree with half of what you say but I think you're asking too much for a system to not have many flaws...

Someone told me VPNing isn't even illegal unless it's abused...I think we should just make all VPNing illegal to detterent people from using it and I think if the playerbase takes pictures of people VPNing (using their country flags) and send it to admins I think they can probably confirm of it's true that person is VPNing or not...  

that's pretty radical lol. I'm worried that Milo is actually considering this; if what you listed as intentional lagging was true then a lot of people would be punished. not all people have steady or reliable connections & above all that connections are complicated and there are many factors that contribute to latency fluctuations.  

Posted by Kosiris

that's pretty radical lol. I'm worried that Milo is actually considering this; if what you listed as intentional lagging was true then a lot of people would be punished. not all people have steady or reliable connections & above all that connections are complicated and there are many factors that contribute to latency fluctuations.

^^^^^ basically this, the first part when he says he's worried if milo will consider this, since on the other thread (can someone explain this) milo basically agreed with aguzos stupid idea and said "thanks, will take this into consideration when dealing with further cases" obviously people think that what aguzo has been saying is correct and is the best way to spot a vpner, when it's not, and if anything would get people to be wrongly accused of forcing delay/lag and banned.  

Posted by Kosiris

that's pretty radical lol. I'm worried that Milo is actually considering this; if what you listed as intentional lagging was true then a lot of people would be punished. not all people have steady or reliable connections & above all that connections are complicated and there are many factors that contribute to latency fluctuations.

Pretty much case closed.  

Posted by Kosiris

that's pretty radical lol. I'm worried that Milo is actually considering this; if what you listed as intentional lagging was true then a lot of people would be punished. not all people have steady or reliable connections & above all that connections are complicated and there are many factors that contribute to latency fluctuations.

The entire purpose of this thread was basically to witch hunt certain players that Dark or Aguzo dislike/find difficult to play against.  

Posted by Darkk

-VPN/intentional delay: The delay would be changing everytime you hit them, for example the delay could range between 0.5 seconds and 1.5 seconds. Note; this doesn't mean they vpn, aboods delay is like this and is always changing (changing mid spar.) This is why people struggle with certain delayers, because predicting is impossible. Consistently warping is a vpn, if your wifi connection is unstable you would freeze and warp or the app would disconnect you.

Dae always has the same delay, I'd say around 1 second, as do most UK sparrers. I have fibre optic internet, therefore I delay less than him and most UK sparrers.

Claiming he VPNs for what reason? If he was the leader of the DBZ guild, then his flag was still UK, and his flag has never been anything but UK.

Every day or 2 your status is "lagging.", and it's a lot more common than Dae lagging (when his brother was downloading something). Therefore you VPN right? One day you have no delay, the next you're delaying as bad as the bigger delayers - and warping around.

Also it's crazy to see how cocky you became because you did well in 1 GST  

Posted by *Dae

The entire purpose of this thread was basically to witch hunt certain players that Dark or Aguzo dislike/find difficult to play against.

Thank you dae, you seem quiet in game but you're the only one besides Alex and Fulgloryhole who make sense on this thread.