I'm not about to repeat every post I've made in this thread to you Higbey, but I know from experience that if you have a group of friends who are active enough, you can get a tower. Once you have tower time, people will want to join your guild. Once you have temps, you can get more tower time. You don't need to be in a staff guild to excel, as many guilds have proven. One of the reasons I joined a staff guild is because I'm not really into tower-taking, and most guilds that aren't tower- taking guilds die eventually, or the members abandon their tag for the tags of tower-taking guilds. Staff members are volunteers, so there is already less incentive to produce quality work than a big corporate game with adults who are paid working for them. Taking away the biggest part of the game (when they already lose the ability to show themselves publicly and talk normally) is not going to help them do their job happily and productively.  

Posted by Cat612

most guilds that aren't tower- taking guilds die eventually, or the members abandon their tag for the tags of tower-taking guilds

completely untrue statement  

Posted by Rexx

completely untrue statement

In my experiences they do  

Posted by HappyCat123

I play Era and I see Admin Gangs taking bases ALOT.I find it unfair to other gangs, bacause most of the people in the Admin gang are hoping they'll get free stuff/special treatment, when the non-admin gang is having a hard time even getting members to take a base.So im kinda against admin gangs taking bases, since it kinda makes it unfair to regular players just trying to take a base.

thats exactly why i think people shouldnt know there admins, people think theyll get free stuff

Posted by Pimpsy G.

Yes, But i think the point of this post is to comprehend the idea that staff members, due to the nature of their job, are very, very popular in the graal community. This gives the idea that this extreme popularity in the community severley limits the ability for normal players to create guilds due to the fact that staff members have an obvious advantage over normal players when it comes to recruiting, due to the nature of their job.

Heres a better analogy: Imagine you were in gym class and your teacher allowed everyone to break into several groups of their own choosing for a basketball tournament. But the teacher, being an incredible college basketball player back in his heyday, allows himself to have his own team to compete in the tournament as well. Thus, most of the students who are experienced want to be on his team due to his part in college basketball history. Many people complain about this, but the teacher argues that since he was a college basketball player and loves the game, he wants too play it as well.

But that's just what I am getting from his argument.

YES thats exactly what im trying to say (good explination)

brotherhood of ninjas, huryley knights (or whateva) they were guilds around for ages they werent doing great with forts, there leader became admins and now there doing heaps well

Posted by Mr.$imons

Staff should have just as many rights as players.

shouldnt players also be getting the same rights as admins

Posted by MattKan

Nope, sorry, you're just jealous that other people are in admin guilds and you aren't. Sorry, but since most of the community revolves around these sacred guilds, this isn't going to change.

Another thing that should be noted is that Pulse and VenusGospel aren't run by admins, and each of those guilds has had an era of dominance. I don't know of any other guilds that have been in first place in the last year and a half?

Edit: Yeah, the bolded part was probably rude, and I can't judge you because I don't know you, so I apologize for that.

However this is simply the way Graal is. To remove all the admin guilds would essentially destroy the game and community, and hundreds of players would be extremely unhappy.

yes im very jealous how i wish i was in an admin guild so the admin would hug me give me hats add me and join my guild

venus gospel noob recuit

pulse was allied with xors guild for a while

but what pimpsy said there are bound to be non admin guilds that make it big


Edit 2: Just read through the thread. I have no sympathy for you. I take back the first edit.

 

Posted by MattKan

Edit 2: Just read through the thread. I have no sympathy for you. I take back the first edit.

No sympathy for who?

Posted by Higbey

unfortunately you wont get alot of support here since over half the players on graalians are in a staff guild

LOL THIS.

Well said by pimpsy and higbey.

Last night, I'm pretty sure all but one fort was being held by an admin guild. That's dominating the normal players. That's unfair.

Oh yeah, BoN. That's proof. They were dead. And now they're back, because their leader is admin.

Posted by mr froggy

theres a guild theres been around for ages there leader wasnt an admin they got a tower like once a week for like 2 hours then there admin became leader and there getting a tower and holding it for ages if no body new there leader i bet the guild would still be getting 1 fort a week

lol.  

Posted by mr froggy

shouldnt players also be getting the same rights as admins

You mean complete and total anarchy? Sounds fun

The staff members in the guilds almost never help with the towers, it's just the players. And anyways, your profile picture suggests that you have ulterior motives for taking that side in the arguement.  

Edit 2: Just read through the thread. I have no sympathy for you. I take back the first edit.[/QUOTE]

lmao how does talking in bold make u sound rude bnahahaha wtf looky me im being rude

Posted by MattKan

Edit 2: Just read through the thread. I have no sympathy for you. I take back the first edit.

dam your sympathy ment a hell of alot to me



lmao wtf  

Posted by Cat612

And anyways, your profile picture suggests that you have ulterior motives for taking that side in the arguement.

OMG FROGGY SHES ONTO U AND UR PLAN TO TURN ALL OF GRAAL INTO FROGS !!!!1!!!one!  

Posted by Pazx

OMG FROGGY SHES ONTO U AND UR PLAN TO TURN ALL OF GRAAL INTO FROGS !!!!1!!!one!

That paragraph was directed at you  

Posted by Cat612

That paragraph was directed at you

Well I didn't take 'that side in the argument' I didn't comment on that subject. Futhermore what's wrong with my picture? I've been waiting for a transfer for ages.  

Posted by Cat612

You mean complete and total anarchy? Sounds fun

The staff members in the guilds almost never help with the towers, it's just the players. And anyways, your profile picture suggests that you have ulterior motives for taking that side in the arguement.

yes a picture of a rubber frog definitely suggests such motives xD  

It is an evil looking frog :o  

Posted by Rexx

completely untrue statement

No, it's completely true. It was true for every guild I've been in (including the admin ones that stopped taking towers) and it's true for every noob guild.  

Posted by Bubble

No, it's completely true. It was true for every guild I've been in (including the admin ones that stopped taking towers) and it's true for every noob guild.

Ch4rm and US. Your argument is invaild.  

Posted by Pazx

Ch4rm and US. Your argument is invaild.

Well I've never been in either of them, now have I?