You may want to read my post above directed to Sam, it explains why it wouldn't always hit.  

Posted by snk

You may want to read my post above directed to Sam, it explains why it wouldn't always hit.

I fully understand.
But when using a low-clip gun like the souizen (12) its not acceptable that not 12/12 hits give damage. "takes 108 damage to kill someone having 50 Hp"- I mean that should explain our problem, which is definitely a pain for everyone.
This ruins the clip of the guns, the HP we have and the damage guns deal.
I don't know how to tell you clearer than this.  

Posted by Johnaudi

Lagging != CPU Process.
Especially when there's a guy lagging infront of you LOL.



The thing is pretty balanced, since you assume it's not 'lag', then they can hit you 12 shots till you die too! win-win.

That was just him, i had killed him earlier and he was just saying there because he multitasked or something, also kind of hard to kill someone when it takes 12 shots, they can almost heal faster than it takes to get hurt.

Posted by snk

We added a new aspect to all items called 'hurt time' which is a variable that controls when the player can next get hurt.

All guns are 0.5 hurt time- let me break it down for you
So your Souizen does 8 damage which = 0.5 (hurt time) * 7 (7 hits is 54 hp, enough to kill this person) takes 3.5 seconds to kill this guy.
0.5 * 7 = 3.5 (simple right)

Now you also reloaded in this video clip, which made you wait 0.25 seconds (the freeze rate of the Souizen)

Now damage is based on the other persons lag, so for example if you're not lagging, but the other guy is (depending if they're on WiFi or 3G, same applies to you). If you see the bullet hit on YOUR screen, doesn't mean that the other player see's it hits them on their screen at that exact time.
This is the downside to clientside hit detection, but it's the best way.

I hope this makes sense

I understand what lag is and why you've added the hit timer, just it was fine before you increased it. The timer effects all guns with high fire rates, you said its 0.5, souizen for example has a 0.1 fire rate which means in the time it will take to hurt someone from constantly shooting them will take roughly 4-5 shots. It was ok before when your timer was 0.28 or whatever it was because even though it still took more shots it was only roughly 2-3 which makes a difference.

Its not as if you need a higher hit detection than at least .1 anyway because if the other play is lagging, they see all the bullets in like a wall which hits at the same time, but because of the small hit registration you have it will only take damage from 1 and block out the others. Same for the players against the person experiencing the lag.

Because the timer is so high effectively its helping laggers, and making it harder to pk because all players have to do is either run away or eat since it takes so long to kill them. And that reason alone is why ive stopped pking altogether and decided to spar instead because even though the hit registration is there they cant "run off" or whatever  

You guys misunderstood the concept, it's not helping laggers at all, it is helping you from being hit in bullet walls.
To the point : They can't hit you as much as you can hit them.  

Posted by Johnaudi

You guys misunderstood the concept, it's not helping laggers at all, it is helping you from being hit in bullet walls.
To the point : They can't hit you as much as you can hit them.

if you shoot off a lag bullet wall your getting one headed your way, perfectly fair  

Just remove this.. seriously it messed spar and pk up. You can just kill laggers with melee weapons so we don't really need this.  

This will not be removed under any circumstances, any further nagging is pointless.  

Mate are you even reading what we say? Bullet walls come in a wall, only 1 will hit you, its the same for them as it is for us  

Posted by Johnaudi

This will not be removed under any circumstances, any further nagging is pointless.

I think we should value player feedback. They do present some good points and i don't think we should ignore the fact that this vote is unanimous.  

Posted by Johnaudi

This will not be removed under any circumstances, any further nagging is pointless.

Lol everyone will keep on bitching until this is removed. Its seriousky fucking up gameplay  

Posted by BEH0LD iTz SAM

Mate are you even reading what we say? Bullet walls come in a wall, only 1 will hit you, its the same for them as it is for us

You still have an advantage in a melee attack, back in the days you used to get hit a bullet wall and die instantly...

Posted by LavaClaw

I think we should value player feedback. They do present some good points and i don't think we should ignore the fact that this vote is unanimous.

Until they get a better idea on how to fix laggers' gun wall, I'm here to hear.  

Maybe have laggers kicked from bases if their latency is over a certain amount for too long?  

Posted by Johnaudi

You still have an advantage in a melee attack, back in the days you used to get hit a bullet wall and die instantly...



Until they get a better idea on how to fix laggers' gun wall, I'm here to hear.

There you go, answered ur own question, besides what do you mean back in the day? I've probably had this game longer than you and if u were hit by a wall of bullets only one hit becase they hit at the same time even just a 0.1 will stop all the others  

Posted by LavaClaw

Maybe have laggers kicked from bases if their latency is over a certain amount for too long?

No, since latency cannot be counted as a dis-privilege. Remember that our servers lag too, remember back when it was at 99% :p?

@Sam that's no solution, not sure what you mean by 'replied to my own question'.  

Posted by Johnaudi

You still have an advantage in a melee attack, back in the days you used to get hit a bullet wall and die instantly...



Until they get a better idea on how to fix laggers' gun wall, I'm here to hear.

Lol I've been playing since 2010 and a bullet wall only does 1x damage of what the bullet would do when it hit you, so nope you wouldn't die instantly.