On UN there was a system where staff would hire (Spar Moderator)s who would constantly spectate spars and report any fishy stuff to GPs. I'm sure it would help narrow down the ridiculous amount of dumb/fake complaints on iClassic. It was good because the spar moderator was always someone who was at least relatively active in the spar community so they understood how the movement/mechanics of the game actually work. No idea if it's even necessarily a good idea, but anything is better than having someone obviously speed/godmode for 1 hour in the mixed room without any consequences.  

Posted by Thallen

Massokre complains about GPs a lot but he's right, at least in cases in the arena
90% of admins are completely clueless when it comes to handling actual game-related incidents, like speed hacking, lag blocking, etc.

Some guy is blatantly speeding in the arena now, my guess would be 110%, and the GP is just derpy over it:



The guy isn't winning many spars, so it's not salt complaints. Everyone seems to be able to eyeball the speed except the GP. He did end up banning someone for calling admins ****, though.



We gotta have more GPs that act beyond being trained monkeys that can spot someone saying a curse word and instantly ban them for it, this kinda stuff really should not be hard...

The problem with this is who is really trained to be able to see a difference in speed of 110%? Player speed is .6 tiles/second. 110% of that is .66 tiles/second. I'm not saying it's impossible for someone to notice this by eye, but how reliable can a GP be in those regards? More importantly, such a thing would come down to the GP's opinion on whether or not they think they're moving at .6 tiles/sec or .66 tiles/sec... that's a lot of faith to put into someone to make sure they're making the right call every time.

If anything GPs need to have better tools to help detect this stuff(not automatically deal with them), not purely relying on the GP being able to spot such minor differences.

I'm not disagreeing that maybe sparring needs different moderation. It's a very competitive part of the game, I just don't think "we need better GPs" is really the answer people think it will be on its own.  

I do notice a rise in speed hackers lately, takes forever to get them banned. But somehow if we avoid the chat filter its an automatic ban. Im never getting over that ban for me saying arse in my status  

Posted by Livid

I do notice a rise in speed hackers lately, takes forever to get them banned. But somehow if we avoid the chat filter its an automatic ban. Im never getting over that ban for me saying arse in my status

I'm never getting over the warning you got me for putting "I'm not refunding a head for 10k livid" in my status.

pathetic  

Posted by OG

I'm never getting over the warning you got me for putting "I'm not refunding a head for 10k livid" in my status.

pathetic

I didnt report anything, I think it was just my friends not liking you, so you can hop off mate.

pathetic, y r u still going on.  

Posted by Livid

I do notice a rise in speed hackers lately, takes forever to get them banned. But somehow if we avoid the chat filter its an automatic ban. Im never getting over that ban for me saying arse in my status

Well the difference is when you ban a hacker chances are they'll just be back in a bit until they get bored of being banned. Therefor the person who bypasses swear filter stays banned and makes a bigger impression while you see a hacker there, they disappear and then there's another hacker so you don't even feel like hacking was dealt with. Not to mention GPs might just get tired of banning a hacker only for them to be back on another account/ip in a few minutes.  

Posted by Dusty

Well the difference is when you ban a hacker chances are they'll just be back in a bit until they get bored of being banned. Therefor the person who bypasses swear filter stays banned and makes a bigger impression while you see a hacker there, they disappear and then there's another hacker so you don't even feel like hacking was dealt with. Not to mention GPs might just get tired of banning a hacker only for them to be back on another account/ip in a few minutes.

"GPs get tired of banning a hacker"

The Graal Classic Administration team everyone! It's the best  

Posted by Dusty

GPs might just get tired of banning a hacker only for them to be back on another account/ip in a few minutes.

only if graal could detect all the vpn addresses. this is not even a problem.  

Or make something that detects speed...
I heard that it was done before on UN.  

Posted by Ash Ketchum

It should be 24/7. Are they just hiring Americans with broken English?

Yep.  

Posted by Ash Ketchum

"GPs get tired of banning a hacker"

The Graal Classic Administration team everyone! It's the best

It's actually less annoying to just play along with said hackers. It's what I would do when a couple of idiots constantly hacked and would ban evade in a matter of minutes on Zodiac.  

Posted by Dusty

The problem with this is who is really trained to be able to see a difference in speed of 110%? Player speed is .6 tiles/second. 110% of that is .66 tiles/second. I'm not saying it's impossible for someone to notice this by eye, but how reliable can a GP be in those regards? More importantly, such a thing would come down to the GP's opinion on whether or not they think they're moving at .6 tiles/sec or .66 tiles/sec... that's a lot of faith to put into someone to make sure they're making the right call every time.

I don't expect them to be able to detect it by eye, but I don't understand why the tools aren't available there for them to detect it otherwise

I think that the built-in speed detection performed pretty poorly so it was disabled? There are other methods of detecting speed hackers though, fp4's pal Ruxxter scripted one for UN last time we were staff there: http://pastebin.com/cCkhYtxr

You send a trigger to the server from the client every second, when they're in a spar level, and if the server sees that it's receiving 1.05 triggers per second on average, rather than 1 trigger, then you know the client is hacking their process speed by 5%

There were occasional false positives, but in the repeating instances it was able to successful detect speed increases as small as 102%
I don't like automated banning for speed hackers, since false positives often seem an issue, but any tool or log like this would seem pretty helpful

I'm sure the case of this not being possible for iClassic is the fact that the server itself isn't even stable enough...  

Posted by Thallen

I'm sure the case of this not being possible for iClassic is the fact that the server itself isn't even stable enough...

Most likely this  

Posted by Dusty

The problem with this is who is really trained to be able to see a difference in speed of 110%? Player speed is .6 tiles/second. 110% of that is .66 tiles/second. I'm not saying it's impossible for someone to notice this by eye, but how reliable can a GP be in those regards? More importantly, such a thing would come down to the GP's opinion on whether or not they think they're moving at .6 tiles/sec or .66 tiles/sec... that's a lot of faith to put into someone to make sure they're making the right call every time.

here's an example of what I'm talking about

SORRY FOR THE IGNORANT/BAD RAP MUSIC
first time using OBS and had no idea stereo mix was on or whatever, HUNNIDBAND HUNNIDBAND, etc.

red hair with the indicator, compare her speed to literally every other player she spars
anyone that knows how Graal's FPS cap works knows what's going on here

there are several players who have been doing it for weeks, months, maybe years and not getting caught because they're speeding at low levels, but it's a huge advantage
pretty sure the community would be surprised how many people are doing this and flying under the radar

bonus video for anyone doubting this is an actual problem

 

As much as its a witchhunt, glad you posted the video of Carly. I'm sure others including myself have suspected her.