Posted by CM

Illegalizing guns isn't implausible though...for whatever reason you want to believe it is, but it isn't. You said "if everyone in that club had a gun, the situation would be less severe"...obviously, but are we going to give everyone a gun? "If one person had a gun"...again, obvious, but why would a person take a gun into a night club (with the intent of having a good time) in the first place?
The growing wings part is meant to make an unrealistic scenario. People can have guns, yes. But...why would I be taking a gun to a night club in the first place? If we ever get to the point where people need to be taking guns into night clubs just in case an attacker may pop up, then there is something seriously wrong.
Just because something will "always happen" does not mean we should stop working towards ways to minimize the amounts of times that it happens. Again, cancer is always popping up, so should we stop working towards ways to minimizing the amount of times it does develop?

You should re-read my quotes before you incorrectly quote me.

Posted by PigParty

In gun advocates' defense, if people at that night club had been carrying guns, they may have been able to stop the shooter from killing anywhere near as many people as he did. There's 2 sides to that gun debate. I'm just not sure that illegalizing guns would actually solve any problem.

Now I may be reading it wrong, but I'm pretty sure that says "people at the night club" rather than "everyone at the night club". What do I know, though?
People carry guns on them all the time. It's concealed carry. It's for your own protection. Does it really matter what you're doing? You could be going to the store, but you carry the gun in case of emergencies for protection. I never said we should stop trying to fix guns, lol. Again, you're making up ridiculous arguments and pretending I said them. I specifically said we need better regulations. There's not much point arguing with you, though, if you think it's plausible to illegalize all guns and confiscate them from gun owners. Although, I'm not sure why we're even arguing because you made the argument with very loose interpretations of what I said, or just downright replacing words like "people" and "everyone".

By the way, incase you haven't noticed - we are at that place where you have to worry about your safety in a night club. You have to worry about your safety at schools, at churches, at stores, everywhere. The argument for "gun incidents will still happen" is because they will still happen!! There's no evidence that taking guns away in America will reduce crime. In fact, it's near-impossible to get a permit in New York City, Chicago, and more cities like that, yet they have the highest crime rates. Since you like scenarios, I'll come up with one.

Guy illegally has a gun. He goes to a store and starts shooting people. No one has guns, 12 people die, 7 get injured.

Guy illegally has a gun. He goes to a store and starts shooting people. 2 people have concealed guns, they hear gunshots and get their guns out and draw fire to prevent the attacker from shooting people. 3 people die, 2 get injured.

That's a very plausible outcome in those scenarios. I 100% agree that there needs to be better regulations. I previously said that if someone being investigated by the FBI for terrorist ties is able to legally purchase a gun, then there's a major problem. However, taking guns away from everyone is absurd and implausible.  

are you ****s really flaming on a thread paying respects to a human being who got shot at age 22

smfh

Posted by twilit

Wait a minute, no one here talked about Ali last week; who tf even is this girl?

wow what a profound statement  

Posted by Distorted_P2P

are you ****s really flaming on a thread paying respects to a human being who got shot at age 22

smfh


wow what a profound statement

It's Graalians. You should expect this especially on a thread about muder. Gun debate is bound to come up. Sadly but truly.  

I blame video games. And Sardon.  

Who'd have thought that in a thread where we discuss a woman getting shot in the US that we'd mention gun laws in the US? THE ABSOLUTE MADMEN!  

We aren't flaming...it's general discussion. I know it's surprising to see that on this forum, but if having civil conversations with other people is a bad thing, then I guess I'm a horrible person.  

Posted by CM

We aren't flaming...it's general discussion. I know it's surprising to see that on this forum, but if having civil conversations with other people is a bad thing, then I guess I'm a horrible person.

ya ok general discussion alright totally not flaming bro just gonna leave this here

Spoiler

Posted by Thallen

Brilliant statement... And less bombs cause less bombings, and less knives cause less knifings, whoo!

You know what else causes less shootings? Not being the country with the most mental health problems in the world. The guns do not jump up off the rack and shoot people on their own. The mental health issues that plague the US is what is killing people.

Posted by Thallen

You're genuinely stupid, aren't you?

^don't even have to bold here lmao

Posted by Thallen

Why is this guy awkwardly personalizing the conversation to himself and Germany? No one cares about Germany and the argument isn't relating to Germany or even specifically highlighting Germany and their guns. You have other problems to worry about, like your awful chancellor admitting millions of undocumented Muslims and ruining your country.

If you're arguing that Germany has even less guns than was reported, THEN YOU'RE LITERALLY SUPPORTING MY ARGUMENT? Are you dense?

The graph, which has its source literally posted on it, is to show that there is not nearly as many intentional homicides in the USA compared to other countries in correlation with our guns per capita. It's really, really easy to understand.

Posted by Thallen

Googles something, claims it's true, then punctuates the statement with, "Not everything you see on Google is true"
I can't argue statistics with an idiot, sorry, come back when you learn how to properly read a graph and we'll try again




That's not even the argument. People not taking statistics into perspective is gross and stupid to me.

We are far above every other country in the world in guns per capita, yet our intentional homicide rate is on par with or even lower than many first-world countries with less than 1/4th of the guns we have. Why is that? People act as if a homicide committed by a gun would not have happened if the gun didn't exist.

What taking away everyone's guns might do is prevent these mass shootings, but there are other steps that should be taken before that. How about not giving guns to radical Muslims or mentally ill people?




He walked up to her, she opened her arms to hug him, and he shot her... You know how many different ways she could have been killed?

Posted by Yog

He's trying to prove that there's false information on Google. How ****ing thick are you?



He shot her multiple times. Anything that could do the same amount of damage in such minimal time wouldn't be as easy to conceal.

just realized 90% is thallen, nice thal

Posted by CM

then I guess I'm a horrible person.

u said it not us  

stop stirring ****  

Posted by CM

We aren't flaming...it's general discussion. I know it's surprising to see that on this forum, but if having civil conversations with other people is a bad thing, then I guess I'm a horrible person.

I didn't know calling each other stupid is a civil conversation. I guess every flame war in a thread is just a civil conversation. Oh goody!  

Posted by xSupah*

I didn't know calling each other stupid is a civil conversation. I guess every flame war in a thread is just a civil conversation. Oh goody!

Nice. Trying to stir an argument with me. Very hypocritical of you.

I will stop as Christina deserves to not have "flame" on her thread (which you seem to want by this instigative post).

Very disappointed in you.  

Posted by Yog

I don't see a problem in asking the question, why the **** did someone allow this human piece of **** to have firearms?

If you ignore firearm rights when someone literally dies to one, then when is the appropriate time to bring them up?

Totally not what I'm saying. I'm saying that if someone makes a memorial thread for someone you shouldn't blow it up with garbage about gun laws, make your own damn thread if you want to talk about that ****. Straight up disrespectful.

Posted by Thallen

Who'd have thought that in a thread where we discuss a woman getting shot in the US that we'd mention gun laws in the US? THE ABSOLUTE MADMEN!

That is obviously not the intention of this thread.

Posted by Wolfie

She was shot and died today at her concert.
RIP.

Check out her songs at her YouTube Channel:
zeldaxlove64 Christina Grimmie

 

Okay. Seriously out of all people to call out a flame war, is Distorted? I'm sorry, but you are very well known for contributing to flames.

This type of behavior on a thread that's about dealing with grief is unacceptable of course, but it's unacceptable anywhere else in the word. Yelling insults obviously isn't going to get anywhere, and will just make both parties at guilt. But those who've called out the flamewars have both contributed to flame wars in the past, and are antagonizing those flaming in this thread, which is contributing to the flame itself.

Besides the flame war, there is an analysis going on. People are either trying to figure out why the **** these types of things happen. Whether bringing evidence to spite a claim, or literally theorizing on something.

Now you can say it's ****ty to do such a thing during the grief of a death, but deaths are ****ty regardless. Where we stand right now is someone was murdered. This isn't the first murder and I know we can all agree it won't be the last. This is a ****ed up situation. Gun debate or not.

We can't be ignorant about the situation. Regardless if you think gun control will solve it or not. And the [relatively] best time to discuss such a morbid subject is after someone innocent died. Because we know it's going to happen again, so we can't ignore it claiming it's disrespectful. Call me an asshole for thinking this, but I care a hell of a lot more for the living than for the dead, because the dead are already dead. All we can do is grieve, and find out where we ****ed up, so we can protect those still alive.

I didn't know who Christina Grimmie is before her death. I had little to no interest in her subculture. The only thing that ****ing matters is an innocent died. Why the **** does no one seem to want to talk about preventing more innocents from dying? How long do we have to wait until it's no longer socially taboo? People stop caring about things that aren't relevant, so we need to have this hard conversation while it still is relevant.

Now you may think there is no way to prevent these kinds of things, so my point isn't valid because there's no reason to talk about it. But that requires an analysis itself. You can't come to a conclusion without studying what's at hand. There is no avoiding this unless you want more innocent deaths.

This rant isn't me trying to explain a way to prevent these shootings, but instead trying to justify a discussion/fight

Edit: didn't see this post until now

Posted by MrSimons

Totally not what I'm saying. I'm saying that if someone makes a memorial thread for someone you shouldn't blow it up with garbage about gun laws, make your own damn thread if you want to talk about that ****. Straight up disrespectful

We aren't straight up arguing about it at her funeral, but the goal here is to find out ways to stop innocents from dying. If I die by a gun, you guys better ****in' find a way to not let the same happen to another person. Call me disrespectful but I guess I just have a different opinion on this.  

See ya, thread.

R.I.P. Christina Grimmie.  

Posted by Yog

Now you may think there is no way to prevent these kinds of things, so my point isn't valid because there's no reason to talk about it. But that requires an analysis itself. You can't come to a conclusion without studying what's at hand. There is no avoiding this unless you want more innocent deaths.

This rant isn't me trying to explain a way to prevent these shootings, but instead trying to justify a discussion/fight

Arguing on an unofficial gaming forum fixes and prevents nothing. You guys are literally doing nothing besides being disrespectful. It makes literally no difference what happens here, most of you guys aren't even American anyways.  

Posted by MrSimons

Arguing on an unofficial gaming forum fixes and prevents nothing. You guys are literally doing nothing besides being disrespectful. It makes literally no difference what happens here, most of you guys aren't even American anyways.

Why would it being unofficial have anything to do with US politics?

Grieving can't bring her back to life, but voting in local elections can change how gun control works, to potentially protect those still alive, so I have to disagree with you there. I see nothing wrong with either.